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Maple Leaf Angus
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Southern Ontario
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BMr - I would be interested in your idea of "unlivable regs."
BTW, Don Eadie is having or had a closing out auction sale. Retiring, the ad said.
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canadian angus
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Northwest Saskatchewan
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Seem to have opened a can of worms, slimy ones, red ones but no green ones. Vertical intigration (not sure of the spelling) will happen if we continue to go on the street we are on.
Yes if the border stays closed perhaps the CCA and CFIA should finally do someting positive or step aside.
In the grain industry, plant breeder rights costs us everytime we seed a crop, can't save seed and sell it as seed. With the beef industry, it could go that way.
Read last year on AG Net that Cargill has 14,000 genomes mapped for slaughter cattle. They did this to know how to feed more efficiently. It could go farther with them and other big players.
If we happily go along at the present rate, we could have wherewe have to sell to them and get a premium, use their breeding stock. In the AI, Embryo and cloaning industry don't think those thoughts and plans are not being thought of.
Comments were made about they poultry and pig barns are being built. Yes they are, some only with a quota, pigs is somewhat different. Profit being made in the poultry and and dairy industry. Question for Jason, what do we do with the land if we are on a quota system. Can't make money in grain here, land is suited for livestock. The quota system never worked in the grain industry.
Free enterprize does work, if common sense prevailed north and south of the 49th. I have said before and will say again, the problem is just that big business and not the real people that raise cattle for a living.
Canadian Angus
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Jason
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 2001
Location: Alberta Canada
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In the grain industry, plant breeder rights costs us everytime we seed a crop, can't save seed and sell it as seed. With the beef industry, it could go that way.
If we happily go along at the present rate, we could have wherewe have to sell to them and get a premium, use their breeding stock. In the AI, Embryo and cloaning industry don't think those thoughts and plans are not being thought of.
Comments were made about they poultry and pig barns are being built. Yes they are, some only with a quota, pigs is somewhat different. Profit being made in the poultry and and dairy industry. Question for Jason, what do we do with the land if we are on a quota system. Can't make money in grain here, land is suited for livestock. The quota system never worked in the grain industry.
Free enterprize does work, if common sense prevailed north and south of the 49th. I have said before and will say again, the problem is just that big business and not the real people that raise cattle for a living.
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Where did I mention a quota system? I don't think that would play under Nafta or the WTO.
I suggested a contract where I was garanteed a price for a specific product was desireable.
What do you do with your land? Raise cattle. What it is best suited for. You should be at an advantage over guys that have less land or land suited for crops. Your cost of raising the cattle would in theory be less. You could sign a profitable contract sooner than someone with higher input costs.
Cloning and embryo work, while important to the development of cattle, is not economically viable to produce mass numbers of quality carcasses.
The specifics of what stock you would have to raise would be spelled out in the contract. Some contracts would be you just work the cattle for other owners, some would be you have good genetics, continue raising them and sell them at a set price. If the contract price isn't attractive to you, don't sign it.
I have said this before...some people shouldn't be raising cattle. It is a free country, but it is not a right that everyone who pursues an enterprise has to succeed. Some will fail, so be it.
Should the guys that buy a bull from the cull pen be rewarded the same as the guys that buy the best genetics they can afford? I wouldn't object to generic bull sellers to be pushed aside because they aren't keeping detailed records that advance the cattle industry.
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