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~SH~
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If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM cattle using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importing UTM cattle from Canada?
Yes or No?
~SH~
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Sandhusker
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Question for Sandhusker, OT, Rancher, Tommy or any R-CAL |
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If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM cattle using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importing UTM cattle from Canada?
Yes or No?
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Creekstone wanted to test carcasses, Canada wants to send live cattle. Apples and oranges.
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rancher
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Bill
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Question for Sandhusker, OT, Rancher, Tommy or any R-CAL |
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If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM cattle using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importing UTM cattle from Canada?
Yes or No?
~SH~ |
Creekstone wanted to test carcasses, Canada wants to send live cattle. Apples and oranges. |
If I remember correctly Creekstone wanted to test Canadian cattle as well.
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Sandhusker
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Question for Sandhusker, OT, Rancher, Tommy or any R-CAL |
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| Bill wrote: |
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| ~SH~ wrote: |
If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM cattle using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importing UTM cattle from Canada?
Yes or No?
~SH~ |
Creekstone wanted to test carcasses, Canada wants to send live cattle. Apples and oranges. |
If I remember correctly Creekstone wanted to test Canadian cattle as well. |
They did - they had a big testing facility getting no use. Still, they would of been testing carcasses, not live cattle.
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Tommy
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| Scott if there was a reliable test for live cattle, yes I would support taking UTM cattle from Canada.
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Bill
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Question for Sandhusker, OT, Rancher, Tommy or any R-CAL |
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| Bill wrote: |
| Sandhusker wrote: |
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If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM cattle using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importing UTM cattle from Canada?
Yes or No?
~SH~ |
Creekstone wanted to test carcasses, Canada wants to send live cattle. Apples and oranges. |
If I remember correctly Creekstone wanted to test Canadian cattle as well. |
They did - they had a big testing facility getting no use. Still, they would of been testing carcasses, not live cattle. |
As the brain is needed to do the test it is obvious Creekstone was going to test Canadian cattle not carcasses.
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Mike
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Location: Montgomery, Al
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Question for Sandhusker, OT, Rancher, Tommy or any R-CAL |
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| Bill wrote: |
| Sandhusker wrote: |
| Bill wrote: |
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| ~SH~ wrote: |
If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM cattle using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importing UTM cattle from Canada?
Yes or No?
~SH~ |
Creekstone wanted to test carcasses, Canada wants to send live cattle. Apples and oranges. |
If I remember correctly Creekstone wanted to test Canadian cattle as well. |
They did - they had a big testing facility getting no use. Still, they would of been testing carcasses, not live cattle. |
As the brain is needed to do the test it is obvious Creekstone was going to test Canadian cattle not carcasses. |
You are correct, Bill. Part of Creekstones' proposal was to ship live cattle in from Canada in sealed containers for slaughter at their plant to be tested for the Japanese market. They also were going to send brain samples of these slaughtered cattle to Japan for their surveillance.
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~SH~
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Location: South Western SD
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FINE!
If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM carcasses using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support continued importation of Canadian beef from Canadian UTM cattle?
Yes or No?
If U.S. packing plants segregated Canadian live cattle and the USDA mandated the same BSE testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importation of Canadian live cattle knowing that the beef would be BSE tested?
Yes or No?
Shouldn't be able to slither around it this time Sandblaster.
~SH~
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Oldtimer
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Location: Northeast Montana
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FINE!
If Canada agreed to conduct BSE testing on UTM carcasses using the same testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support continued importation of Canadian beef from Canadian UTM cattle?
Yes or No?
If U.S. packing plants segregated Canadian live cattle and the USDA mandated the same BSE testing methodology as Creekstone, would you support importation of Canadian live cattle knowing that the beef would be BSE tested?
Yes or No?
Shouldn't be able to slither around it this time Sandblaster.
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Yes on the UTM beef-- if they are required to be labeled as "Product of Canada"... I would not mind it they weren't tested if they were just labeled and the health decision was left to the consumer..
I have a problem with the live cattle---- As we saw with the Washington cow, it doesn't matter where it originated from- if it tests positive in the US, its the US that pays the trade closure consequences......if we had guarantees from our trading partners that this would not happen again and we had a safe way of disposing of SRM's in place- then open it up- but label it "Product of Canada".....
I think all beef originating from Canada should be required to be labeled "product of Canada" for the consumer to make the choice......
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Murgen
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Manitoba_Rancher
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Murgen,
I bet our Canadian product down there would sell a lot better if it was labelled as product of Canada. OT how bout a deal well live up to that part of the deal if you make that short @ss Leo and Bill disappear and quit running our product into the dirt!
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I worry about your drinking. 
How can we take tested cattle? I thought they had to be dead before you can test them? 