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tom4018
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Protien tubs? Reply with quote

Are they worth it? Looking at Purina's Purlyx 18% all natural tub, it is a baked tub. $65 for 225#. Crystalyx has had a big price increase. do you feel the tubs are benifical?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are convenient but expensive.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see them around a lot still. I have used them but I had a few problems. In the summer they would get so runny that the cows could lick off twice what they needed and in the witner it ook them forever to work on dwn. Have found a god mineral mixed wtih glten/distillers is much better and more even w ay to distribute protein and minerals.

Had a frend who used Purina producs.. Wasn't to found of them. Our local purina dealer stoppd carrying purina and switched to Kent a couple years back, claims to sell way more of their tub product vs when they sold for purina.. I said no thanks just the same. Wink


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We use Feedrite's tubs for calves that we buy from the auction mart.

We have a tub waiting in the pen, spotted between the hay feeder and the water bowl for them when they get off the truck. The calves just love it, and we are convinced that it gets them off to a better start. You'll see sick calves that have lost their appetites, and would otherwise be off feed standing over it, and licking like mad. It's like candy to them, and they will go to it before just about anything else. It seems to help them get going. Kind of like giving ice cream to a sick kid. Wink Very Happy

Once they are settled and on feed, we let them finish the tubs, and don't replace them.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are too expensive for what you get. About the best
that can be said for them is that they are convenient, if
you want to think you are doing something for your cattle
and you don't mind the cost.

I think Kato might be on to something, however.

Lots of tubs are full of junk, not nutrition. Molasses doesn't
contain much as far as nutrition goes.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a high price for convenience - $578.50/ton. Cottonseed cake (if it's available in your area) will give you more than two times the protein for less than half the money. If you really need a feed with a limiter, try a 3-to-1 cottonseed meal/salt or soybean meal/salt. Still all natural and a lot cheaper.

If you decide to try the tubs (or any liquid feed), start out with them a good distance away from your water and/or hay and move them closer until you get consumption where you want it. If you're intending to use them to make cows clean up dead grass, move them to areas that you need grazed down, keeping in mind that the closer the tubs are to water, the more they will consume.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
We use Feedrite's tubs for calves that we buy from the auction mart.

We have a tub waiting in the pen, spotted between the hay feeder and the water bowl for them when they get off the truck. The calves just love it, and we are convinced that it gets them off to a better start. You'll see sick calves that have lost their appetites, and would otherwise be off feed standing over it, and licking like mad. It's like candy to them, and they will go to it before just about anything else. It seems to help them get going. Kind of like giving ice cream to a sick kid. Wink Very Happy

Once they are settled and on feed, we let them finish the tubs, and don't replace them.


Kato- I did about the same thing this year with the replacement heifers when I weaned them-- Except I used a tub of some new "stress tub" that Smart Lic has out for weaning time....Don't even know whats in it except that it was supposed to be high in vitamins and minerals-- and that several folks I knew had already used it on their calves when they weaned with good results and convinced me to try it....Calves went to it when they wouldn't go to hay or grain... Bawl a while- then go lick on the tub...
Something worked because I never even had one have so much as a sniffle....

I noticed today the tub was empty-- so I filled it with a sack of Vigortone mineral-- and they were a licking away on that when I left them....


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimer wrote:
Kato wrote:
We use Feedrite's tubs for calves that we buy from the auction mart.

We have a tub waiting in the pen, spotted between the hay feeder and the water bowl for them when they get off the truck. The calves just love it, and we are convinced that it gets them off to a better start. You'll see sick calves that have lost their appetites, and would otherwise be off feed standing over it, and licking like mad. It's like candy to them, and they will go to it before just about anything else. It seems to help them get going. Kind of like giving ice cream to a sick kid. Wink Very Happy

Once they are settled and on feed, we let them finish the tubs, and don't replace them.


Kato- I did about the same thing this year with the replacement heifers when I weaned them-- Except I used a tub of some new "stress tub" that Smart Lic has out for weaning time....Don't even know whats in it except that it was supposed to be high in vitamins and minerals-- and that several folks I knew had already used it on their calves when they weaned with good results and convinced me to try it....Calves went to it when they wouldn't go to hay or grain... Bawl a while- then go lick on the tub...
Something worked because I never even had one have so much as a sniffle....

I noticed today the tub was empty-- so I filled it with a sack of Vigortone mineral-- and they were a licking away on that when I left them....



Those new tubs were designed to "Stress" the pocket book. Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Muddy rancher wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Kato wrote:
We use Feedrite's tubs for calves that we buy from the auction mart.

We have a tub waiting in the pen, spotted between the hay feeder and the water bowl for them when they get off the truck. The calves just love it, and we are convinced that it gets them off to a better start. You'll see sick calves that have lost their appetites, and would otherwise be off feed standing over it, and licking like mad. It's like candy to them, and they will go to it before just about anything else. It seems to help them get going. Kind of like giving ice cream to a sick kid. Wink Very Happy

Once they are settled and on feed, we let them finish the tubs, and don't replace them.


Kato- I did about the same thing this year with the replacement heifers when I weaned them-- Except I used a tub of some new "stress tub" that Smart Lic has out for weaning time....Don't even know whats in it except that it was supposed to be high in vitamins and minerals-- and that several folks I knew had already used it on their calves when they weaned with good results and convinced me to try it....Calves went to it when they wouldn't go to hay or grain... Bawl a while- then go lick on the tub...
Something worked because I never even had one have so much as a sniffle....

I noticed today the tub was empty-- so I filled it with a sack of Vigortone mineral-- and they were a licking away on that when I left them....



Those new tubs were designed to "Stress" the pocket book. Wink


Big Muddy-- If you saw how good looking and sweet the young sales lady/rep is you'd be standing in the elevator ordering tons of the stuff to take care of your "stress"..... Wink Laughing Laughing Razz


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then you have the strength to load them by hand, no doubt.
Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Nod gag


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faster horses wrote:
And then you have the strength to load them by hand, no doubt.
Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Nod gag


Never did know who loaded them- I just stayed in the office talking with her- came out and they were loaded.... Wink Laughing Razz

I had a chance today to talk to a fellow that owns a local feedlot (10,000 head cap.)-- we got talking about these Smart Lic stress weaning tubs... He says this is the second year he has used them and definitely thinks they pay for themselves...He has them in the pens the newly weaned calves first go into-- the "peanut" calves pen, and the sick pens-- and he said he doesn't know what it is either, but like with my experience, they went right to licking them and then right to eating- and he had better luck with less sick calves.....

He also mentioned that he's not sure why- but both their lot and the other local lot has been seeing more of "brainers" this year- calves with somnus....But so far they've had pretty good luck treating them with an I.V. of vitamins and a shot of Excede in the ear......


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure how much you guys pay for these things, but they are about $90.00 here. We started 250 calves on two tubs. Well worth the money in our books.


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