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Soapweed
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005
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Location: northern Nebraska Sandhills
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OT you mean Canadians bought calves? I thought they just rode the shirt tails and flooded your market. You mean cattle moved both ways across the border? |
Actually for about 2 years (of the 12 years of NAFTA) Canadians tryed to be good "trading" partners....Quite a few calves were sold on the Canadian Video....One of my old college buddies was their buyer/rep down here...
And thats the first time I saw the slide go both ways.... |
Think about it, why wouldn't the slide go both ways? As I said, that all factors in at a sale barn because the buyers pay accordingly. It is one of the reasons I don't usually sell on video.
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murph
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Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Posts: 146
Location: Tx Panhandle
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| There is a difference in buying by the head or by the cwt. Breeding stock are sold by the head, therefore the slide is geared for the downside, i.e. if your buying 1000 pound bred heifers and they actually weigh 900 then price per head is decreased by using a 50 cent slide. This is the opposite of buying calves or yearlings by the hundred and using a 4-8 cent slide if they are over the base weight. That may be the confusion in breeding stock sliding both ways. Did that make any sense?
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Denny
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 4411
Location: Mn usa
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Soapweed wrote: |
| Oldtimer wrote: |
| Big Muddy rancher wrote: |
OT you mean Canadians bought calves? I thought they just rode the shirt tails and flooded your market. You mean cattle moved both ways across the border? |
Actually for about 2 years (of the 12 years of NAFTA) Canadians tryed to be good "trading" partners....Quite a few calves were sold on the Canadian Video....One of my old college buddies was their buyer/rep down here...
And thats the first time I saw the slide go both ways.... |
Think about it, why wouldn't the slide go both ways? As I said, that all factors in at a sale barn because the buyers pay accordingly. It is one of the reasons I don't usually sell on video. |
Did you sell some on Superior a couple years back?
I had talked with them one time but I did'nt like their rep he seamed like a gangster in a cowboy hat.I was at the scaleyards the day the superior bought calves shipped out.They sorted those calves over and over back weighing them after he let them stand all day.Then they loaded the trucks and shipped the calves all the while he had'nt got an okay to pay the owners. Now I'm not one on trusting just anyone but what could they have done if he decided not to pay the cattle were on a truck going God only knows where.I sell private treaty if that does'nt work a Reputable salebarn would be used most likely Hub Livestock in Aberdeen SD. We have sold there before with good results its 300 miles from home but the savings in commission alone pays the trucking. Beings they are hauled a long ways they pay pretty well for what calf is left when we get there.
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Jason
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 2001
Location: Alberta Canada
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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If the slide is a one way deal, you better base your cattle on the light end and get a high price. If not sell them somewhere else.
Just because you allow it to happen doesn't mean it should. Specify the slide in the deal. You own the cattle, don't play the victim.
Usually buyers just adjust their prices based on what they see. If they see a rancher that has based his steers too high and there is no slide on the downside they would be foolish not to take advantage of it. However if 1 sees the steers are too light more should and be bidding higher to buy them.
If the rancher has based them incorrectly on purpose he should be "taken to school" for his efforts.
It never ceases to amaze me how a guy can think he is beating a buyer by weighing on the truck, or getting a smaller pencil shrink... the buyers just lower their bids based on the conditions.
I remember a story about my granddad selling a pen of calves years back. The buyer and he walked the pen and agreed on a per head price. My uncle was a greedy sort and thought the calves should all be weighed and sold by the exact weight.
They decided to humor him. It took all afternoon weighing the calves 1 at a time on a single animal beam scale. In the end the pen was a few pounds light of what was estimated by granddad and the buyer and it cost them $10 on the whole deal.
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tlakota
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Joined: 07 Jan 2007
Posts: 209
Location: aberdeen,sd
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Denny, i agree about Hub City Livestock....From all the salebarns ive been to, there isnt one that compares to the fairness of their operation and their effiency...Theres not many times that you see the owners out back sorting and moving cattle around making sure everything is run how it should.
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