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HAY MAKER
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 Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Court: No Horse Slaughtering in Texas |
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January 20, 2007
Serving the
Texas Hill Country
since 1908
Jan 20, 4:15 PM EST
Court: No Horse Slaughtering in Texas
By RASHA MADKOUR
Associated Press Writer
HOUSTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court says slaughtering horses for meat is illegal in Texas, where the animals symbolize the Old West and where two of the nation's three processing plants are located.
The decision, issued Friday by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, overturns a lower court's ruling last year on a 1949 Texas law that banned horse slaughter for the purpose of selling the meat for food.
The lower court said the Texas law was invalid because it had been repealed by another statute and was pre-empted by federal law.
However, a panel of three judges on the 5th Circuit disagreed, saying the law still stood and was still enforceable.
The 5th Circuit decision also cited more than the law.
"The lone cowboy riding his horse on a Texas trail is a cinematic icon. Not once in memory did the cowboy eat his horse," wrote Judge Fortunato Benavides.
The ruling involves the Dallas Crown Inc. slaughter mill in Kaufman and Beltex Corp. in nearby Forth Worth. The nation's third plant is in Illinois, run by Cavel International Inc. at DeKalb. All three operations are foreign-owned.
A bill pending before Congress would shutter all three operations.
The plants ship the meat overseas, since it is considered a delicacy in parts of Europe and Asia.
About 88,000 horses, mules and other equines were slaughtered in 2005, according to the U.S. Agriculture Department.
While proponents such as the American Veterinary Medical Association say slaughter is a kind way to deal with old horses and a better alternative to abandonment, opponents including Texas oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens and country music star Willie Nelson have argued that the killing of equines is un-American - and that many young horses are killed as well.
The Humane Society of the United States, which filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case, applauded the 5th Circuit decision.
"This is the most important court action ever on the issue of horse slaughter," Wayne Pacelle, the society's president and chief executive, said in a statement. "When this ruling is enforced, a single plant in Illinois will stand alone in conducting this grisly business."
There was no immediate response to calls seeking comment Saturday from representatives of Dallas Crown and Beltex.
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Judith
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Big Muddy rancher
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Court: No Horse Slaughtering in Texas |
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| HAY MAKER wrote: |
Saturday
January 20, 2007
Serving the
Texas Hill Country
since 1908
Jan 20, 4:15 PM EST
Court: No Horse Slaughtering in Texas
By RASHA MADKOUR
Associated Press Writer
HOUSTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court says slaughtering horses for meat is illegal in Texas, where the animals symbolize the Old West and where two of the nation's three processing plants are located.
The decision, issued Friday by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, overturns a lower court's ruling last year on a 1949 Texas law that banned horse slaughter for the purpose of selling the meat for food.
The lower court said the Texas law was invalid because it had been repealed by another statute and was pre-empted by federal law.
However, a panel of three judges on the 5th Circuit disagreed, saying the law still stood and was still enforceable.
The 5th Circuit decision also cited more than the law.
"The lone cowboy riding his horse on a Texas trail is a cinematic icon. Not once in memory did the cowboy eat his horse," wrote Judge Fortunato Benavides.
The ruling involves the Dallas Crown Inc. slaughter mill in Kaufman and Beltex Corp. in nearby Forth Worth. The nation's third plant is in Illinois, run by Cavel International Inc. at DeKalb. All three operations are foreign-owned.
A bill pending before Congress would shutter all three operations.
The plants ship the meat overseas, since it is considered a delicacy in parts of Europe and Asia.
About 88,000 horses, mules and other equines were slaughtered in 2005, according to the U.S. Agriculture Department.
While proponents such as the American Veterinary Medical Association say slaughter is a kind way to deal with old horses and a better alternative to abandonment, opponents including Texas oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens and country music star Willie Nelson have argued that the killing of equines is un-American - and that many young horses are killed as well.
The Humane Society of the United States, which filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case, applauded the 5th Circuit decision.
"This is the most important court action ever on the issue of horse slaughter," Wayne Pacelle, the society's president and chief executive, said in a statement. "When this ruling is enforced, a single plant in Illinois will stand alone in conducting this grisly business."
There was no immediate response to calls seeking comment Saturday from representatives of Dallas Crown and Beltex. |
Is this Hollywood making policy for agriculture?
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tumbleweed_texn
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: Court: No Horse Slaughtering in Texas |
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| im sorry folks, i had to get in on this. no, i dont eat horses, nor do i know anyone who does. the sad reality is though, the slaughter market does drive the horse market. whether we like it or not europe does set the price when we go to the sale. no, i dont like it, but it's the truth. if we didn't have a killer market we wouldnt havent any horsemarket. yes it does suck , but thats the way it is. there are too many horses out there for the market. surely ya'll dont think every horse goes to a loving home filled with oats and hay. that is not the way the ball bounces. yes it sux, but its true. the killer market is what drives all markets. would you rather have horses dumped out to fend for themselves, or have their suffering ended? i know, it is not pleasent to think of, but good lord. if you own livestock you need to find the most econical solution.
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tumbleweed_texn
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: Court: No Horse Slaughtering in Texas |
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| im sorry folks, i had to get in on this. no, i dont eat horses, nor do i know anyone who does. the sad reality is though, the slaughter market does drive the horse market. whether we like it or not europe does set the price when we go to the sale. no, i dont like it, but it's the truth. if we didn't have a killer market we wouldnt havent any horsemarket. yes it does suck , but thats the way it is. there are too many horses out there for the market. surely ya'll dont think every horse goes to a loving home filled with oats and hay. that is not the way the ball bounces. yes it sux, but its true. the killer market is what drives all markets. would you rather have horses dumped out to fend for themselves, or have their suffering ended? i know, it is not pleasent to think of, but good lord. if you own livestock you need to find the most econical solution.
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HAY MAKER
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| Well I have no problem shooting a horse or dog when the time comes,been there done that,but no horse I own will ever get eaten,and I have no use for anyone that eats or sells horses for slaughter ..............good luck
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Denny
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| HAY MAKER wrote: |
| Well I have no problem shooting a horse or dog when the time comes,been there done that,but no horse I own will ever get eaten,and I have no use for anyone that eats or sells horses for slaughter ..............good luck |
Its all a part of the circle of life they are animals no different than cattle I've had some horses that garner no respect.I guess maybe it's the indian in me that says eat that pony mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
If you were starveing it would look pretty good send those live horses to some starveing people they would make use of it.
Next thing you will want is the government issueiung permits to own a horse your R-CALF Gods can see this is'nt a good thing..
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skidboots
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Texas and Oklahoma have long be known to raise lots of good Quarter Horses. Due to the drought this year, many sound young horses were sold at cattle auctions for 26 cents to 40 per pound. Many good cattle were sold a little below normal as well. When these same horses were hauled up to the horse sales (Round Mountain for instance) usually brought more. Most good horses, broke to use, brought $700 to $1,500.
I'd rather have horsemen setting the price, than cattlemen.
I'm glad horse slaughter is shut down. There are other reasons as well, the slaughter has created more government regulaltions on sale barns, and purchsers (just more government empoyess to garner more favorable votes for the politicians.)
I'm also sure, this victory is temporary, as the Federal Govenment is very profit driven, and will try to overide State's Rights yet again.
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skidboots
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| That's just my feeling about the issue. Doesn't mean everyone has the same opinion. Just wanted you to know there is more than one opinion on this board.
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HAY MAKER
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| HAY MAKER wrote: |
| Well I have no problem shooting a horse or dog when the time comes,been there done that,but no horse I own will ever get eaten,and I have no use for anyone that eats or sells horses for slaughter ..............good luck |
Its all a part of the circle of life they are animals no different than cattle I've had some horses that garner no respect.I guess maybe it's the indian in me that says eat that pony mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
If you were starveing it would look pretty good send those live horses to some starveing people they would make use of it.
Next thing you will want is the government issueiung permits to own a horse your R-CALF Gods can see this is'nt a good thing.. |
Now you know the reason ,I have no use for you..........good luck
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Soapweed
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| HAY MAKER wrote: |
| Denny wrote: |
| HAY MAKER wrote: |
| Well I have no problem shooting a horse or dog when the time comes,been there done that,but no horse I own will ever get eaten,and I have no use for anyone that eats or sells horses for slaughter ..............good luck |
Its all a part of the circle of life they are animals no different than cattle I've had some horses that garner no respect.I guess maybe it's the indian in me that says eat that pony mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
If you were starveing it would look pretty good send those live horses to some starveing people they would make use of it.
Next thing you will want is the government issueiung permits to own a horse your R-CALF Gods can see this is'nt a good thing.. |
Now you know the reason ,I have no use for you..........good luck |
Well, you won't have any use for me either, Haymaker, but I still kind of like you regardless. We need the packing horse industry. The county roads are going to be overrun with unwanted unusable horses when the slaughter ban goes into effect. There are thousands of horses in the United States and Canada, and there has to be a place to go with the culls.
Sure, an old pet horse that becomes part of the family is different. They can be buried in the family plot, with a preacher on duty to conduct the funeral service if that is what is wanted. For every old deserving pet, there are probably ninety-nine other equines that are just plain old horses. We need a place to humanely and efficiently dispose of these horses when they get old or unusable.
A horse is just an animal, like cattle, hogs, chickens, sheep, dogs and cats. Sure, a person can have favorite pets out of any of these species. A favorite pet is different; do with them what you want. Pay for them to spend their last years in a retirement center if you wish, but still allow a packing plant for others not held in such high esteem.
Humans are omnivores, designed to take nourishment from both animal meat and plant vegetation. Slaughter houses are necessary to turn livestock into edible meat. Animal by-products are necessary in every other facet of life, also. If the horse slaughter industry in banned, it is a "foot-in-the-door" for animal rights groups to ultimately ban the slaughter of cattle, hogs, sheep, and poultry. Haymaker, do you wish to be a vegan the rest of your life, or do you enjoy a good steak as much as I do? Think of the eventual consequenses if the horse slaughter industry is outlawed.
For cowboy purists like Roper AB, if the horse slaughter ban is imposed, I guarantee more cattle ranches than ever will resort to using four-wheelers. If there is no floor price (killer market) for horses, many ranches that currently raise and use horses will discontinue the practice. If there is no financially efficient way to market excess horses, these good cowboy outfits will ride four-wheelers because they will have to just to be able to stay in business.
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Big Muddy rancher
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I have no problem with regulations for humane treatment and transportation rules.
That said more horses will be miss treated by not having horse slaughter plants. No one says you have to sell your horse but many don't take responsbility for their property.
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