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Jinglebob
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite the thread here.

Some can learn by reading and being lectured. Some can learn by doing.

When you quit learning, you may as well get in a hole and let them cover you with dirt.

Education is education and can come in many forms.

At some point, tlakota might want to take some college courses.

Right now, if it isn't interesting for him, he might as well not be there.

We all change wit time, in our thoughts and how we do things and ways to go about doing them. When I was younger, I hated asparagus, now I like it.

When I was 18 my dad was one of the dumbest people I had ever met. By the time I was 21 I had really made him smart. Wink

We all learn in different ways, and that is good, just as long as we learn.

And learning something new, just for the sake of learning, isn't a bad thing.

I think everyone who has posted on here is right, in their own way.


Tlakota, get a copy to Stockmans Grass Farmers Journal. The book Profit Rich Ranching, should be read by every person who wants to own their own business. Lots of good ideads and helped me to think outside the box.

http://www.stockmangrassfarmer.net/index.html

JMHO Smile


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PureCountry
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post JB. Must say there are times when I wish I had gone to college/university, and others when I think I've done pretty darn good getting to where I'm at. Most of my skill or knowledge has come from learning the hard way when I was tlakota's age, or in recent years, keeping my ears open and my mouth shut when wiser folks were around and willing to help. This includes my family, neighbours and alot of folks in the industry, some of which are posters on this forum. I say what works for others may not work for you, which is the same underlying message we find when some of us argue Angus vs Charolais, or grass-fed vs. grain-fed. Wink


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Soapweed
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kolanuraven wrote:
Be careful....Soapy gets all funky when you identify him outloud here on Ranchers!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Owen Wister, who wrote "THE VIRGINIAN" made famous the quote, "When you call me that, smile."

At least Big Muddy smiled when he called me that. Smile Wink


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Soapweed
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is quite an interesting thread that I have not had time to read until now. Education is important, but there are many ways to acquire it. I view formal education in much the same way that I regard Life in general, "all things in moderation." Wink

My own formal education stopped after one year of college. I recall sitting in a college classroom on a nice spring day. My thought at the time was, "Here I am, nineteen years old, in the prime of my physical condition, wasting another perfectly beautiful day sitting at a desk." Rolling Eyes

The next year I chose to start ranching by working hard on those beautiful days; making money instead of spending it. I have never regretted that decision. Even several years after I quit college, my advice to friends who were graduating from high school, was for them to stay out a year between high school and college, get a job, and experience the real world. Then if they decided to further their education, make the most of it and study hard. Too many high school seniors go to college the next year, out of habit, but really have no idea of their future goals. It becomes "party time" instead of actually learning anything of real value. Of course, a piece of paper is handed out for a souvenir at the end of the experience, as a lasting momento, that may or may not ever be of any further value.

One of the most important skills of life is to learn to read, and to read every chance you get. There is always something to be learned with this habit. If a person knows how to read and comprehend, the whole world is at your fingertips. The early immigrants to America from across the wide blue water all realized the advantage to this process. They complied, and because of this America became all the greater. The immigrants of today don't have this overwhelming zest for becoming better people while at the same time making America a better place. They all want to keep their own birth country identities, retain their own languages and customs, but still gain all the benefits of American society. The great United States, if it doesn't completely fall from this apathetic attitude, will at the very least crumble and deteriorate on her foundation.

Back to education, it is a wonderful concept if it doesn't get top-heavy. Probably a four-year college degree has its advantages. Any more "piled higher and deeper" credentials attached to one's name has the potential of becoming more of a detriment to society rather than an asset. For one thing, if these highly educated souls get off on the wrong track, they have the "power" to screw up a lot of students with their misguided thought process. A majority of college professors are very liberal and bureaucratic in their thinking, with very little common sense. This leads to big problems on down the road.

Education is very important, in moderation. Just be aware that like anything else in life taken to excess, too much education can be just as detrimental as too little. Wink Smile




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tlakota
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

soapweed,
very well put...that little story that you had about sitting in the class room is exactly how i felt...ive been reading on here for awhile and make a few posts here and there but from the posts you've wrote, i consider you a mentor...even tho i dont know you personally, you have a good outlook for life and advice...a wiseman once told me to pick your good friends carefully and have a mentor or someone you can look up to...your my mentor on ranchers Wink ...another wise person, besides you, told me that the key to life is moderation...nothing is better advice then that...whether its smoking or drinking, or not getting to far to the left or to the right in any situation
i was waiting to see what you had to say about this subject


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Sundancer
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tlakota
I agree here... I have come to believe in a very short time that the "Soapweed Gang" is a very genuine bunch. Ya just gotta like the way they write, respond, and post pics. I don't know them either, but Soap's posts are the first I look for! Smile


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Soapweed
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, gentlemen. I'm just a regular sort of guy, admittedly a bit gunshy when it comes to too much pomp and circumstance. Wink I am not of the tuxedo/limousine crowd, but more of a blue jeans/Ford pickup sort of feller. Smile


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Badlands
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have often said that I would like my kids to take a year or two off after high school to work.

I didn't do that. I took a couple years off after the first couple years of college.

It made all the difference in the world.


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Hooks
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
have often said that I would like my kids to take a year or two off after high school to work.


I was goin to stay out of this until Badlands made this statement.
I went directly from high school into college. In my senior year I suddenedly realized I wasn't sure where and what I wanted to do after graduation. So I kicked around for a number of years after school tryin different things. If I'd reversed the senerio I think I'd made better use of the time & direction I spent in college.
I eventually ended up in a field that utilized part of my education, but I honestly wish I taken that "educational break" first instead of last. I think I'd have been alittle wiser prior to being "educated".


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