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Liberty Belle Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 1817 Location: northwestern South Dakota
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~SH~ Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5426 Location: South Western SD
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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LB,
A while back you said there would be no hunting on thousands of acres of Harding Co. land due to the end result of the open fields doctrine.
The next thing I see is that you are having a coyote calling contest in Buffalo and everyone is welcome.
Excuse me for pointing out the obvious but what is the point for people to come call coyotes if the land is closed to hunting?
Were you specific to big game and bird hunting but making an exception for predators?
~SH~
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rancher Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 1059
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| This is none of my business, but will stick my nose out anyways. The difference I see is land shut down to hunting that Fish and Game makes money off of selling license for.
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CW Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 14 Location: North Dakota
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Liberty Belle Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 1817 Location: northwestern South Dakota
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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SH - Welcome back!
SH: "A while back you said there would be no hunting on thousands of acres of Harding Co. land due to the end result of the open fields doctrine.
The next thing I see is that you are having a coyote calling contest in Buffalo and everyone is welcome.
Excuse me for pointing out the obvious but what is the point for people to come call coyotes if the land is closed to hunting?
Were you specific to big game and bird hunting but making an exception for predators?"
You darn tootin' we make an exemption for coyotes. We have sheep and our heifers start calving tomorrow. Duh! Now I don't know that these guys will have to buy an expensive license from GF&P to shoot these miserable varmints or not, but it's worth it to us to have them dead. And GF&P had still better check with me before coming in and interupting an ongoing coyote hunt if they know what's good for them. They prevent one coyote from being shot by driving across my pasture without my permission to check on some coyote hunter and there is going to be one very irate women screaming at them in court. Hell hath no fury like a sheepwomen with coyotes in her calving pasture.
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Liberty Belle Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 1817 Location: northwestern South Dakota
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, and SH - come on up on Saturday. We can use the help.
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Faster horses Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 19605 Location: SE MT
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Let us know how many coyotes they get LB. We got 55 during our hunt and I thought that was very worthwhile. The weather wasn't the best either.
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Jason Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2001 Location: Alberta Canada
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Isn't one of the main predators to the gopher (prairie dog) the coyote?
Food for thought.
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PPRM Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 1639 Location: NE Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:50 am Post subject: |
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LB,
If you hat epredators so much, why would you prevent the depopulation of their primary food source??????? You can find guys to hunt game on your land that respect it.
PPRM
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~SH~ Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5426 Location: South Western SD
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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LB: "Hell hath no fury like a sheepwomen with coyotes in her calving pasture."
Hahaha! Absolutely!
I just wanted to make sure we were clear on the coyote exemption from "no hunting". Thanks for the vivid clarification. LOL!
I doubt you have to worry about any GF&P representative messing with an organized coyote hunt. Don't be so paranoid. If I was there, I would assist with the organization of the hunt any way I could because they are a lot of fun.
A good friend of mine spent the last two months trapping in Harding Co. and he removed 40 coyotes during that time period which is respectable considering the coyote population in that area due to predator control efforts and mange.
Although every coyote that is taken can help, especially any older resident coyotes, these calling contests usually target areas of highest coyote populations as opposed to problem areas. Someone still needs to take out those denning pairs in March and April to prevent problems later.
By having the contest this late, you are definitely doing more good than you would during the peak of the immigration period of Nov. Dec. and Jan.
Best of luck in your contest. No way I can get away now.
~SH~
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Liberty Belle Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 1817 Location: northwestern South Dakota
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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SH - I'm not that paranoid! I'm sure our CO wouldn't dream of messing up a coyote hunt in this county. He's had his troubles in the past, but he's not stupid.
I'm curious. Is your friend who was trapping in HC also a friend of DeBow's in Camp Crook? Matt told me they had a friend from over east doing a lot of trapping here this winter with really good results.
Oh, and just to make our hunting position really clear, we also encourage prairie dog hunters. Just call and we'll let you know where to find the little yapping rodents.
Jason: The coyotes can’t begin to keep up eating prairie dogs and they would rather eat lamb and veal.
PPRM: Our problem has never been with hunters. We have had all sorts of them who have been good about respecting the land and the landowners. We just don’t allow big game hunters because if we let them in to hunt, because they way things are in South Dakota, we also must give up our private property rights to the GF&P. They claim the right to come on our land without our permission, or even our knowledge. We aren’t willing to allow that trespass, hence no hunting. The license money for these hunts goes to fund GF&P and we object to that money being used against us, so we would just as soon no one would buy big game licenses.
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~SH~ Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5426 Location: South Western SD
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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LB: "I'm curious. Is your friend who was trapping in HC also a friend of DeBow's in Camp Crook?"
My friend, TR, stayed in Camp Crook last year with his friend LC but not this year. They trapped together last year but seperately this year. This year TR stayed in Buffalo and LC stayed in Camp Crook.
LC used to trap for the state as a seasonal in Aberdeen. TR and I have been friends since college.
Hope that clarifies the situation a little.
~SH~
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