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CattleArmy Rancher

Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 3641
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: Who's everyone supporting and why? |
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In my opinion the United States is in a bad spot when it comes time to vote for the fearless leader of our wonderful nation. I'm totally undecided. I don't feel there is a good candidate in any of them. I just wondered who everyone is supporting and what the main issue they are supporting that has gained your support for them.
I hope this turns into a learning debate not sparked by name calling and such. Or the simple replies of he's a conservative she's a liberal but the real issues and why you would trust them enough to give them your vote.
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Sandhusker Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 18244 Location: Nebraska
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| None of those three. I'm a conservative and our choices are either a moderate liberal or two socialists.
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jigs Rancher

Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 6938 Location: KANSAS
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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who do I support??? honestly, it seems to bve a choice of the lesser of two evils. all politicians are crooks, lining their pockets off of us dopes who think they will change something.
I will vote Republican, simply because I believe they will finish the job in Iraq, and not tax me to death.
what I wish would happen is some guy to stand up and say screw it all, we are going to put AMERICA first. no more foriegn aid that never gets to it's intended target, no morecaring what other nations think about us. import tarriffs where needed, and telling China to kiss our ass.
a border fence that NO ONE can pass or circumvent. death for dope dealers, child molesters, and prisons will be just bars and beds.
and a new situation for congress. build a big hotel like structure, and the a-holes who are elected get $50,000 a year, free room and board, no retirement, no perks, and they read EVERY law they make and vote on it. Lobbyists wil be shot! it is a frigging HONORY to serve your country as a lawmaker, not a priviledge.
I may have to run myself!
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Goodpasture Rancher

Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 1180 Location: Pawnee Nation
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| The incredible mismanagement of every aspect of the Federal government under Republican leadership in Congress and the administration requires a vote for whatever Democrat is running.
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Sandhusker Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 18244 Location: Nebraska
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Goodpasture Rancher

Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 1180 Location: Pawnee Nation
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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This is about how I feel about our presidential candidates:
However, we have a choice, albeit a poor one, between a group who, over the past 8 years, proven to be incompetent, borrow and spend self serving elitists. We KNOW what they are going to do. We also have a group whom we hope will change things for the better. If nothing else, get the last group of thieves out.
And attempting to calculate the past year and a half into the equation is stupid for anyone with the slightest awareness of Washington and of government in the USA. A majority that does not have a clear, filibuster proof majority is not a true majority. That is what the Republicans had for one and a half terms. today there is no way the Democrats can override a filibuster or a presidential veto. That leaves limited options to Congress, and makes the Presidency almost invulnerable. Today, thanks to the incredible stupidity and selfishness of the Republicans, there is a good chance the Democrats will have an unassailable majority.......if they don't perform we will have to throw them out next time around.
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Oldtimer Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 24734 Location: Northeast Montana
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Goodpasture wrote: |
This is about how I feel about our presidential candidates:
However, we have a choice, albeit a poor one, between a group who, over the past 8 years, proven to be incompetent, borrow and spend self serving elitists. We KNOW what they are going to do. We also have a group whom we hope will change things for the better. If nothing else, get the last group of thieves out.
And attempting to calculate the past year and a half into the equation is stupid for anyone with the slightest awareness of Washington and of government in the USA. A majority that does not have a clear, filibuster proof majority is not a true majority. That is what the Republicans had for one and a half terms. today there is no way the Democrats can override a filibuster or a presidential veto. That leaves limited options to Congress, and makes the Presidency almost invulnerable. Today, thanks to the incredible stupidity and selfishness of the Republicans, there is a good chance the Democrats will have an unassailable majority.......if they don't perform we will have to throw them out next time around. |
I agree with you Goodpasture- and I think many more folks are thinking that way...I was talking last week with a long time Republican rancher- and we were talking about the current cattle economy being in the sewer and what a worthless bunch of candidates we had-- and he flat out told me, "I think I may have to vote for my first Democrat for President- we can't afford anymore Bush, and McCain is a second Bush"...
I hear more and more that believe that way- that McCain is a "second Bush" and some even fear his warmongering more (100 years of war- and Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran in continuation of King George's "crusades" ) - and I haven't found a local person that has much good to say about Bush...
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Sandhusker Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 18244 Location: Nebraska
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Ever hear of "Out of the frying pan and into the fire"?
You might not like Bush (and I share your contempt of that thick-skulled btard), but Hillary and Barry are not improvements. How can you support them when they have such low regard for honesty? Both of them are despicable human beings.
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CattleArmy Rancher

Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 3641
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I like Hillarys education plan and at least she mentions the working class. Not saying she's got my vote at all just a couple positives I've noticed.
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Goodpasture Rancher

Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 1180 Location: Pawnee Nation
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ..... but Hillary and Barry are not improvements. |
how do you know? by definition politicians are liars. Why should support another term of Bush because we know how he will screw us?
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Oldtimer Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 24734 Location: Northeast Montana
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Sandhusker Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 18244 Location: Nebraska
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Goodpasture wrote: |
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| ..... but Hillary and Barry are not improvements. |
how do you know? by definition politicians are liars. Why should support another term of Bush because we know how he will screw us? |
I know because I've been paying attention - and not all politicians are liars. They're real good at telling half the story, but Hillary and Barry tell bold face lies. - you can't deny that.
I'm not against voting for a Democrat. I've voted for Ben Nelson every time he was up for anything, and I'll continue that. I just refuse to vote for pathalogical liars, crooks, and hypocrites.
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