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Faster horses
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 Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: OT be sure and check out this website. |
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Several young soldiers were on tv today talking about how we must not pull out of Iraq.
Here is their website.
www.vetsforfreedom.org
I sure think these people who have been there deserve to be listened to.
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Oldtimer
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Cal
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Oldtimer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: Re: OT be sure and check out this website. |
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| Faster horses wrote: |
Several young soldiers were on tv today talking about how we must not pull out of Iraq.
Here is their website.
www.vetsforfreedom.org
I sure think these people who have been there deserve to be listened to. |
Yep-- and I've talked to several Guardsmen that have served 1 and 2 tours already- and that will say the opposite...Many don't think they/we are accomplishing anything and are hanging on the upcoming election- knowing that if McCain wins they will again be called up - since we are out of fulltime troops, especially with what is now needed in Afghanistan....And they fear that if Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran gets his wishes and we attack Iran- he will get his wish and we will have 100 years of global warfare.... 
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| Nations have recently been led to borrow billions for war; no nation has ever borrowed largely for education. Probably, no nation is rich enough to pay for both war and civilization. We must make our choice; we cannot have both. ~Abraham Flexner |
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You were really off of the computer long enough to talk to anyone? When? Or did you "talk" to them in a forum? |
Well Cal- if its any of your business- I've spent 2 of the last 4 weeks in and out at the courthouse (and several days before that), where I come into contact daily with them since my old partner just retired as the NCO "supply Sgt"( who pretty much ran the unit- and who both he and his son spent on a 2 year activation)- and I met with him and many of the still actives regularly for coffee, lunch, beer, whatever...(Remember I had a job which worked closely with the Guard- and got to know most in this end of the state).....
I also do know a couple people in the town, county, community, end of the state which I run into quite regularly, which I was able to talk to- especially those that appeared before me... And being aware of this current argument- I've flat out asked them- about their call up tours- and what their feelings were- and what they think can be accomplished there...
Many told me they didn't want to go back on active duty (even those that spent 18 months in Alaska)- most that had been in Iraq told me they thought nothing was really being accomplished- and that the final outcome was going to be whatever the Iraqis (or the synonym I won't use here they called them) will end up going the way they have for the past 1000 years- and some felt downright betrayed by their country, because the jobs/occupations they were promised would be there weren't- the medical care and counseling they were promised wasn't available (something Senator Tester has been raising total hell about) -and they didn't think it was worth the lost years, lost jobs/opportunities, lost lives, lost wives, alienated families, and the unknown of when the next callup will come and inability to plan their lives....
Many servicemen have now spent more active time in combat zones in Iraq, then any of the troops during WWII did....
And they know that without an immediate drawdown of troops- and letting the Iraqis start spending the hundreds/thousands of billions of $ of oil money they have banked, instead of US taxpayer dollars (why should they- Bush just gives them more of ours   )- and taking on the responsibilty of protecting themselves- and rebuilding "their own" country-- they will be called back to active duty for another 2 years out of their life...
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When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing.
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Oldtimer
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At least Colin Powell and some of those that got out of King Georges Court can still see "reality"....
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Powell: Troops in Iraq must be reduced
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that President Bush's successor will have to come to grips with the reality that the United States cannot continue to keep such large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Without taking sides in the race for the White House, Powell said, "Whichever one of them becomes president on Jan. 1, 2009, they will face a military force that cannot continue to sustain 140,000 people deployed in Iraq and the 20 (thousand) odd or 25,000 people we have deployed in Afghanistan and our other deployments."
Powell's comments in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" seemed to undercut Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting John McCain's position that the U.S. should stay the course in Iraq. But Powell also said that the next president will face limitations on bringing troops home, as Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton - rivals for the Democratic nomination - have promised to do.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POWELL_IRAQ?SITE=MTBIL&SECTION=NATIONAL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Mike
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| Inauguration Day is on Jan 1, 2009?
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loomixguy
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| As bad as Old Whiner makes it out to be, and I know it is not a Sunday School picnic in Haji Land, never forget the fact that they all VOLUNTEERED for the Service. Nobody twisted their arms.
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jigs
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| As bad as Old Whiner makes it out to be, and I know it is not a Sunday School picnic in Haji Land, never forget the fact that they all VOLUNTEERED for the Service. Nobody twisted their arms. |
are you saying they KNEW the possibilities of going to war when they VOLUNTEERED to join the military???
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aplusmnt
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At least Colin Powell and some of those that got out of King Georges Court can still see "reality"....
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Powell: Troops in Iraq must be reduced
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that President Bush's successor will have to come to grips with the reality that the United States cannot continue to keep such large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Without taking sides in the race for the White House, Powell said, "Whichever one of them becomes president on Jan. 1, 2009, they will face a military force that cannot continue to sustain 140,000 people deployed in Iraq and the 20 (thousand) odd or 25,000 people we have deployed in Afghanistan and our other deployments."
Powell's comments in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" seemed to undercut Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting John McCain's position that the U.S. should stay the course in Iraq. But Powell also said that the next president will face limitations on bringing troops home, as Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton - rivals for the Democratic nomination - have promised to do.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POWELL_IRAQ?SITE=MTBIL&SECTION=NATIONAL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Did he say rather we should stay or just that we could not maintain those numbers? Big difference in the two!
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Cal
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: OT be sure and check out this website. |
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| Cal wrote: |
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| Faster horses wrote: |
Several young soldiers were on tv today talking about how we must not pull out of Iraq.
Here is their website.
www.vetsforfreedom.org
I sure think these people who have been there deserve to be listened to. |
Yep-- and I've talked to several Guardsmen that have served 1 and 2 tours already- and that will say the opposite...Many don't think they/we are accomplishing anything and are hanging on the upcoming election- knowing that if McCain wins they will again be called up - since we are out of fulltime troops, especially with what is now needed in Afghanistan....And they fear that if Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran gets his wishes and we attack Iran- he will get his wish and we will have 100 years of global warfare....
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| Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. ~Author Unknown |
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| Nations have recently been led to borrow billions for war; no nation has ever borrowed largely for education. Probably, no nation is rich enough to pay for both war and civilization. We must make our choice; we cannot have both. ~Abraham Flexner |
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You were really off of the computer long enough to talk to anyone? When? Or did you "talk" to them in a forum? |
Well Cal- if its any of your business- I've spent 2 of the last 4 weeks in and out at the courthouse (and several days before that), where I come into contact daily with them since my old partner just retired as the NCO "supply Sgt"( who pretty much ran the unit- and who both he and his son spent on a 2 year activation)- and I met with him and many of the still actives regularly for coffee, lunch, beer, whatever...(Remember I had a job which worked closely with the Guard- and got to know most in this end of the state).....
I also do know a couple people in the town, county, community, end of the state which I run into quite regularly, which I was able to talk to- especially those that appeared before me... And being aware of this current argument- I've flat out asked them- about their call up tours- and what their feelings were- and what they think can be accomplished there...
Many told me they didn't want to go back on active duty (even those that spent 18 months in Alaska)- most that had been in Iraq told me they thought nothing was really being accomplished- and that the final outcome was going to be whatever the Iraqis (or the synonym I won't use here they called them) will end up going the way they have for the past 1000 years- and some felt downright betrayed by their country, because the jobs/occupations they were promised would be there weren't- the medical care and counseling they were promised wasn't available (something Senator Tester has been raising total hell about) -and they didn't think it was worth the lost years, lost jobs/opportunities, lost lives, lost wives, alienated families, and the unknown of when the next callup will come and inability to plan their lives....
Many servicemen have now spent more active time in combat zones in Iraq, then any of the troops during WWII did....
And they know that without an immediate drawdown of troops- and letting the Iraqis start spending the hundreds/thousands of billions of $ of oil money they have banked, instead of US taxpayer dollars (why should they- Bush just gives them more of ours )- and taking on the responsibilty of protecting themselves- and rebuilding "their own" country-- they will be called back to active duty for another 2 years out of their life...
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| When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre |
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Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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How happy were they about the anti-war Bush haters demeaning his service because he was a lowly NG fighter pilot? And did you share with them some of your newfound code pinkish peacenik quotes....I'm sure all soldiers really dig that. Also, what's wrong with a career in the military? My wife's cousin is making a career of the gaurds, 2 tours in Iraq and headed to Afghanistan...with no bitching, and her brother had 20 yrs in before he retired.
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Steve
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| Many of these NG guys were enlisted on the premise that they would only be needed for domestic emergencies and/or if the country were invaded- |
actually Clinton changed the force to depend on the reserve units instead of the already existing active units..
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