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aplusmnt
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kolanuraven
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It's not a hoax. The earth has been warming and getting colder in cycles since the BIG BANG. Even the magnetic poles have and will swap ends.
BUT....we, humans, since the days of Etheral, Ugh have ramped up this cycle.
This started with the first pollution.....be that methane from a fart from a crynoid in the ancient sea millions of yrs ago...to the smoke from caveman fires to the smoke from the chicken I just took off the grill.
The point is we've put too much junk in the air, ground and water and now it's catching up to us.
It's unavoidable . We need to start getting better control of what and how we waste products of all forms.
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aplusmnt
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It's not a hoax. The earth has been warming and getting colder in cycles since the BIG BANG. Even the magnetic poles have and will swap ends.
BUT....we, humans, since the days of Etheral, Ugh have ramped up this cycle.
This started with the first pollution.....be that methane from a fart from a crynoid in the ancient sea millions of yrs ago...to the smoke from caveman fires to the smoke from the chicken I just took off the grill.
The point is we've put too much junk in the air, ground and water and now it's catching up to us.
It's unavoidable . We need to start getting better control of what and how we waste products of all forms. |
Bull Crap!
It is impossible to know if things have been ramped up.
If mankind has ramped up the earth and caused Global Warming then who did the ramping on mars and is causing the record melting of ice caps on it? Or could it be the same solar flares causing both?
The earth has went through these same cycles before man or beast every walked on it.
Now I will agree that our water sources and littering of the land need to be kept better in check. Water shortage is a serious problem in areas. But man is not changing the climate, we just are not that powerful.
Do you think God created the earth for mankind but forgot to account for what they would do on it one day?
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kolanuraven
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How hard is it understand that if you have a clean river at one point in history and then it catches on fire years later, that IS NOT a natural occurrence???
This happened to the Cuyahoga river many times.
DUH!!!!
Don't you see the land fills we have now.....try to drink the water that runs off the the pavement?
How can you not see pollution? One thing is linked to another. You can't be that simple and not aware. All this bluff and bluster of yours has to be a front for the ' boys' here on Ranchers.
I'd say God didn't realize what a bunch of azzholes and idiots would evolve also.
AND before you bury me with scripture quotes...."this ain't about religion"...it's about mankind being nasty and not keeping his own house clean.
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cutterone
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I don't have any proof about all the hydrocarbons but I do know the world and this country for instance was heavily covered with trees and they have a significant cooling and cleaning affect. The vast clearing of the Amazon has shown a drastic affect to that area.
We need to do better in any case and learn to conserve.
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nonothing
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aplusmnt
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I don't have any proof about all the hydrocarbons but I do know the world and this country for instance was heavily covered with trees and they have a significant cooling and cleaning affect. The vast clearing of the Amazon has shown a drastic affect to that area.
We need to do better in any case and learn to conserve. |
It is sad that the Amazon is being destroyed.
But if you look at America, the tree huggers claim how many trees and forest have been destroyed, but they do not count man planted ones in the equation. I believe that there is actually more forest land now through conservation than there were say 50 years ago. But the tree huggers make it out the opposite, since they only count naturally grown forest.
I will have to try to find that info, since it has been a while since i read up on the forest. If I can find them I will post it.
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Mike
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| cutterone wrote: |
I don't have any proof about all the hydrocarbons but I do know the world and this country for instance was heavily covered with trees and they have a significant cooling and cleaning affect. The vast clearing of the Amazon has shown a drastic affect to that area.
We need to do better in any case and learn to conserve. |
It is sad that the Amazon is being destroyed.
But if you look at America, the tree huggers claim how many trees and forest have been destroyed, but they do not count man planted ones in the equation. I believe that there is actually more forest land now through conservation than there were say 50 years ago. But the tree huggers make it out the opposite, since they only count naturally grown forest.
I will have to try to find that info, since it has been a while since i read up on the forest. If I can find them I will post it. |
Looking at the NASA Landsat satellite images of the
deforestation rates in the Amazon rainforest, about 12.5 percent has
been cleared. Of the 12.5 percent, one half to one third of that is fallow,
or in the process of regeneration, meaning that at any given moment up to 94 percent of the Amazon is left to nature. Even the Environmental Defense Fun and Sting's Rainforest Foundation concede, among the fine print, that the forest is nearly 90 percent intact.
Philip Stott of the University of London and author of the new book,
"Tropical Rainforests: Political and Hegemonic Myth-making," maintains
that the environmental campaigns have lost perspective.
"One of the simple, but very important, facts is that the rainforests
have only been around for between 12,000 and 16,000 years," he says. "That sounds
like a very long time, but in terms of the history of the earth, it's
hardly a pinprick. The simple point is that there are now still -- despite what humans have done -- more rainforests today than there were 12,000 years ago."
http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/ag-forst/2000-July/015420.html
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aplusmnt
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| aplusmnt wrote: |
| cutterone wrote: |
I don't have any proof about all the hydrocarbons but I do know the world and this country for instance was heavily covered with trees and they have a significant cooling and cleaning affect. The vast clearing of the Amazon has shown a drastic affect to that area.
We need to do better in any case and learn to conserve. |
It is sad that the Amazon is being destroyed.
But if you look at America, the tree huggers claim how many trees and forest have been destroyed, but they do not count man planted ones in the equation. I believe that there is actually more forest land now through conservation than there were say 50 years ago. But the tree huggers make it out the opposite, since they only count naturally grown forest.
I will have to try to find that info, since it has been a while since i read up on the forest. If I can find them I will post it. |
Looking at the NASA Landsat satellite images of the
deforestation rates in the Amazon rainforest, about 12.5 percent has
been cleared. Of the 12.5 percent, one half to one third of that is fallow,
or in the process of regeneration, meaning that at any given moment up to 94 percent of the Amazon is left to nature. Even the Environmental Defense Fun and Sting's Rainforest Foundation concede, among the fine print, that the forest is nearly 90 percent intact.
Philip Stott of the University of London and author of the new book,
"Tropical Rainforests: Political and Hegemonic Myth-making," maintains
that the environmental campaigns have lost perspective.
"One of the simple, but very important, facts is that the rainforests
have only been around for between 12,000 and 16,000 years," he says. "That sounds
like a very long time, but in terms of the history of the earth, it's
hardly a pinprick. The simple point is that there are now still -- despite what humans have done -- more rainforests today than there were 12,000 years ago."
http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/ag-forst/2000-July/015420.html |
Perfect example of why I should not ever believe the hype from the left. Seems they are inaccurate on about everything out there. I bought into the rain forest being destroyed at alarming rates even though I knew better about our local forest.
Thanks for reminding me to look into everything for myself.
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,Call it global warming or call it anti global warming..either way its a wake up call that this once freash planet has become a tainted and mistreated mess....Why not stop worring what to call the problem and take the steps to fix it???