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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The leaders of this country should try to run this country and set policy by what the feelings of the majority of the people of the country want...

In that case, I guess we might as well get rid of the Senate. After all, why should a place like Montana have just as much clout in the Senate as a more populated state? To hell with the rural areas and production agriculture - just give the cities what they want?

I KNOW you don't mean that, OT.


Thats the reason the peoples house-- the House of Representatives was set up- and the reason they have shot down many of these things like the NAFTA Mexican trucking and the immigration bills that have come out of the Senate- which GW just turned around and ignored their wishes anyway....

The reason the Senate was set up was to give the states with smaller populations more of a say in government. So that the states with larger populations wouldn't be able to control everything. And you want to do away with that?

The "peoples house" as you call it so affectionately has more members from inner-city slums than it does from western states. Last I heard, there were 43 members of the Congressional Black Caucus. They represent more people than all of cow country put together. Do you really want them to call all of the shots?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texan wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Texan wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
The leaders of this country should try to run this country and set policy by what the feelings of the majority of the people of the country want...

In that case, I guess we might as well get rid of the Senate. After all, why should a place like Montana have just as much clout in the Senate as a more populated state? To hell with the rural areas and production agriculture - just give the cities what they want?

I KNOW you don't mean that, OT.


Thats the reason the peoples house-- the House of Representatives was set up- and the reason they have shot down many of these things like the NAFTA Mexican trucking and the immigration bills that have come out of the Senate- which GW just turned around and ignored their wishes anyway....

The reason the Senate was set up was to give the states with smaller populations more of a say in government. So that the states with larger populations wouldn't be able to control everything. And you want to do away with that?

The "peoples house" as you call it so affectionately has more members from inner-city slums than it does from western states. Last I heard, there were 43 members of the Congressional Black Caucus. They represent more people than all of cow country put together. Do you really want them to call all of the shots?


Do you really think the rural areas get represented now? I'd just as soon we went back to states rights and small federal government- and leave 90% of the things GW and his ever building drunken sailor spending bureacracy is doing to the states and local governments to handle...And following the Constitution- like leaving declaring wars and ratifying treaties only to Congress...

But that becomes harder for the Big Lobbyiest money to influence- so the Corporate interests and elitists don't want to see that....


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you really think the rural areas get represented now?

Not effectively in the House of Representatives - your "peoples house." But they damn sure get represented in the Senate. Montana and Wyoming have just as many votes in the Senate as New York and Florida. South Dakota and Nebraska have just as many votes in the Senate as Texas and California. I'd say that levels the playing field somewhat - just as it was intended to do.

I can't believe you want to do away with that system and let the majority rule. Say what?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texan wrote:
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Do you really think the rural areas get represented now?

Not effectively in the House of Representatives - your "peoples house." But they damn sure get represented in the Senate. Montana and Wyoming have just as many votes in the Senate as New York and Florida. South Dakota and Nebraska have just as many votes in the Senate as Texas and California. I'd say that levels the playing field somewhat - just as it was intended to do.

I can't believe you want to do away with that system and let the majority rule. Say what?


You may be right about the Senate levelling the playing field- but anymore so much of the Senates work goes toward sponsoring legislation/pork completely on lobbyiest dollars and sometimes completely out of their area- (like our former Montana Senators support of giving taxpayer dollars to the richest reservation in the country which was in Michigan Shocked )...But when it become public, the majority of the people ruled- and he got his arse booted Wink Laughing

I still think the Federal government needs to be greatly downsized- and many of these issues given back to the states to handle....


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You may be right about the Senate levelling the playing field- but anymore so much of the Senates work goes toward sponsoring legislation/pork completely on lobbyiest dollars



Is that what they use for the welfare models?


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