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Sandhusker
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Nono, "PS show me where in the bible, God says it is a sin.......Not some writer saying it,Show me where God writes it.....Cause if guys like you Aplus, who claim to be decent folk,were the same guys writing bible veruses back then,I question every word....If thier minds were as closed as yours and we have to take thier word for things,then who knows what is truely being written as fact......."
So your modus operandi is to question what you don't agree with because it had to of been written by somebody with a closed mind, but then you go along with what you do agree with? I'd say that is very dangerous theology, to say the least.
Do you let your kids pick and choose which of your rules they will follow? Maybe they think that not being able to stay up to 2AM on school nights, keeping their room clean, doing their chores, etc... is the thinking of a closed mind. |
Lets just say The rules I make are told by me and inforced by me.....I do not get my nieghbor to write down my words and present them as rules .....You seem to believe in God because other writers tell too.....I believe in God because of things never writen in the bible.....Like miricles that happen in front of my eyes...The feeling of unconditional love...sunsets and sunrises....the way a human can heal its self...how laughter makes me feel good.....maybe you should stop one day and thank God for the real gifts given to you,the true gifts that no body needs to write and tell you they came from God,you can just see and feel them...
What is it I agree with?... |
I was going to bring up what the Bible says about loving your neighbor, honoring and praising God for his blessings, etc.... but those are just some things "other writers" wrote ....
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nonothing
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I feel I am guilty of the same thing I am taking others to task for...I really have no idea what God's intentions are for any of us..That being said,,I went away and thought about this issue..I came up with this..
Many here consider it a sin to be gay,I cannot agree or dissagree for I am not certain how God understands it to be..I do know that many here hate the sin..they come at all angles just to show thier hate for the sin..Again I feel its not my place to judge anothers sins nor to judge those that judge others...
I find the hurtful things people say at times on here cast hate on to the sinner and not the sin.This is where i differ,I do not hate the sinner nor do I judge the sinner,as the sin itself will be judged by God ..I have instead judged thoughs who have judge the sinner.I aplogize to all those of you I have judged,for it is god that shall judge us all,not I ...
I believe that most gay people are good hearted and just want to live the life that is inside them..They should be given every chance to live that life, just as the rest of us are.I do not consider it inmoral or deviant behavior to want to be with the one you love..I do not feel God would give the gift of love with restriction on its use...
I do believe gay relationships should be offered a commitment ceromony....I believe they have the right to use the benifits all commited couples are given....they should be able to care for thier love ones the same as all others in commited relationships...I understand that a union under God will upset many here and again,I have no answer to that.I guess if the book says its a sin,no matter who wrote the words,the book should be respected..I have no idea what God would say to a gay couple wanting his blessing of love...but the book and its writer has asked for that to be considered a sin,therefore we must look at gay commitment differently and exclude any ceromonys involving the bible and the word marraige..There are many ways for that to be handled I am sure..
The world is full of sin and also full with sinners... it is not my job to judge those that sin,as it is also not my duty to judge those who judge sin or sinners,that is, in my opinion,,God's judgement alone..
I think goodness in people is the best thing to look for..We have laws to take care of those that lack goodness .We have God as our final judge,who am I to think what is best for another,including the folks at ranchers.....
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Soapweed
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Holy Bible: A General Overview
The Holy Bible is a phenomenal account of history, comprised of 66 books, written over approximately 1600 years, by at least 40 distinct authors. The Old Testament (Old Covenant) contains 39 books written from approximately 1500 to 400 BC, and the New Testament (New Covenant) contains 27 books written from approximately 40 to 90 AD. The Jewish Bible (Tenach) is the same as the Christian Old Testament, except for its book arrangement. The original Old Testament was written mainly in Hebrew, with some Aramaic, while the original New Testament was written in Greek.
Like the Old Testament, we now have significant evidence that the New Testament we read today is remarkably accurate as compared to the original manuscripts. Of the thousands of copies made by hand before the printing press, we have approximately 24,000 manuscripts, including more than 5,300 Greek manuscripts from the New Testament alone. The Bible is better preserved, by far, than accepted writings of Homer, Plato and Aristotle. Of course, as the Bible was carried from country to country, it was translated into languages that don’t necessarily mirror the original languages of Greek and Hebrew. However, other than grammatical and cultural differences, God’s Word has been remarkably preserved and translated over the years. The Bible now gives inspiration to hundreds of millions throughout the world – that’s because the Bible is truly the inspired Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17 and 2 Peter 1:20-21).
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CattleArmy
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Holy Bible: A General Overview
The Holy Bible is a phenomenal account of history, comprised of 66 books, written over approximately 1600 years, by at least 40 distinct authors. The Old Testament (Old Covenant) contains 39 books written from approximately 1500 to 400 BC, and the New Testament (New Covenant) contains 27 books written from approximately 40 to 90 AD. The Jewish Bible (Tenach) is the same as the Christian Old Testament, except for its book arrangement. The original Old Testament was written mainly in Hebrew, with some Aramaic, while the original New Testament was written in Greek.
Like the Old Testament, we now have significant evidence that the New Testament we read today is remarkably accurate as compared to the original manuscripts. Of the thousands of copies made by hand before the printing press, we have approximately 24,000 manuscripts, including more than 5,300 Greek manuscripts from the New Testament alone. The Bible is better preserved, by far, than accepted writings of Homer, Plato and Aristotle. Of course, as the Bible was carried from country to country, it was translated into languages that don’t necessarily mirror the original languages of Greek and Hebrew. However, other than grammatical and cultural differences, God’s Word has been remarkably preserved and translated over the years. The Bible now gives inspiration to hundreds of millions throughout the world – that’s because the Bible is truly the inspired Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17 and 2 Peter 1:20-21). |
My question is if the Old and New Testaments are God's Word then on some issues did God just change his mind? 
There are the religions that believe that people don't eat seafood or pork. Documented in the Old Testament. Then in the New it is ok?
How come do Catholics believe in pergatory and other faiths don't?
Reading the post I'm not arguing it just asking a question. It appears to me that the more religious questions that one asks of various clergy it seems that the faiths beliefs can support their doctrins through scripture. With all the different faiths doesn't this prove that the Bible can be changed through interpretation?
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Sandhusker
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| The coming of the Christ, Jesus, changed everything. That's why we have the seperation between the Old Testement and the New Testament. The old was dominated by the Law as given Moses and God's covenant with the Jews. The coming of the Christ and fulfillment of the prophesies with his life and death changed our focus from the Law to faith. God didn't change his mind, a planned change - a huge change - occured.
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Sandhusker
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aplusmnt
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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How come do Catholics believe in pergatory and other faiths don't?
It appears to me that the more religious questions that one asks of various clergy it seems that the faiths beliefs can support their doctrines through scripture. With all the different faiths doesn't this prove that the Bible can be changed through interpretation? |
You are correct there is many religions and many interpretations, as was foretold in the Bible that there would be. That many false prophets would rise and mislead many.
It is our responsibility to genuinely examine our religion and see if it teaches the truth of the Bible. And if it does not then it would be our responsibility to have nothing to do with that religion.
Many religions will use scriptures to try to show why they believe the way they do, many times take out of context or conflict with other teachings in the Bible. Just because a clergy says its so does not mean it is so. Its our responsibility to see if what a religion teaches is in harmony with what the Bible really says. And just because one or a thousand clergy misquote or teach wrong things does not mean everyone is wrong.
Example: Some churches say it is ok to be a homosexual, now we have to look into the Bible and see if that is a correct teaching.
Some say women can be clergy, but we have to look into the Bible and see if that is a correct teaching.
Some want you to call their Pastors Father, but it is our responsibility to see if that is a correct teaching.
Some religions promote politics from the Podium but it our responsibility to see if that is a correct thing to do.
Some teach that God and Jesus are the same person it is our responsibility to see if that is a correct teaching.
It always comes back to personal responsibility for us to see if what we are being taught is accurate, and move on if it is not accurate!
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