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Oldtimer
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Soap- Kolans signature block says it quite well...
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| Abraham Lincoln once said, "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men." |
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The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.
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Soapweed
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Location: northern Nebraska Sandhills
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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It's wonderful, Oldtimer and Kolanuraven, that you are both "open-minded" enough to vote for both Republicans and Democrats, depending on the quality of the people running for office. Somehow I can see you as a lot of things....but ' open minded' could never be one of those things.
You know, I could also do that if I ever figured there was a Democrat that would be better than the Republican running against him. Unfortunately, that situation hardly ever prevails. What about the sainted JFK?
In fact, back quite a few years ago, I did vote for a Democrat on the local level, because he was the best man for the job. Guess what, that man has now turned Republican, because he realized that basically Republicans stand for more of what he believes. No I'd say he did that so he could get elected by ALL the non-thinkers in Cherry Co.
President Bush has plenty of short-comings (don't we all?). As bad as he is, I think either Gore or Kerry would have been worse. If it were all to happen over again, my vote would still be with Bush instead of either of the others. My only regret is that the Republicans didn't pick someone else instead of him to start with. Could I do a better job than Bush? Not a chance. For starters, I wouldn't take the job of President if it were laid in my lap. Do I think either you, Oldtimer, or you, Kolanuraven, would be a better President than Bush. Not a chance, once again.   
Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, and they usually do not carry much clout.
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Well, Kola, you are not "open-minded" either, because you've already written me off as not being open-minded. I can be at times, but admittedly am usually not.
In the case of the "sainted JFK," just because I am as old as dirt does not mean I was old enough to vote for (or against) JFK. He was elected to office on my 9th birthday. John F. Kennedy was assassinated after just a little over two and a half years in office. Part of his "sainthood" is because he was murdered. Lots of dorky people achieve larger than life fame if they are murdered.
Putting things in proper perspective, had George W. Bush been assassinated after just a little more than two and a half years in office, he might also have achieved the status of "saint." He was still fairly well thought of at that time. Putting things in another possible perspective, had John F. Kennedy been allowed to fill out his first term and been elected to and served a second term, he might also have screwed up enough that he wouldn't be remembered as such a saint after all these years, either.
My friend that was a Democrat, and became a Republican later, did so after he was no longer in office. Thus, he was not pandering to all of the so called "non-thinkers" of Cherry County, which title you bestowed upon those of us who are admitted Republicans. (And you think you are open-minded?  )
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Soapweed
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CattleArmy
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Oldtimer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Soap- Kolans signature block says it quite well...
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| Abraham Lincoln once said, "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men." |
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How is one to "protest" when things are so much out of our control. Whining or griping about a situation, even if done in large quantities , usually does little to rectify the situation.
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I disagree with that- it was a backlash of the citizens of the country that stopped the liberals/corporates/politicians in their combined effort to push thru the Bush/McCain/Kennedy immigration bill and give amnesty to 20 million lawbreakers...This showed that a vocal American public can still have some say....
Another example is the soon to be implemented M-COOL law- which was opposed by a lobbiest corrupted administrations USDA and a corporate bought out NCBA- even tho it was supported by 70-80% of producers and the same number of consumers...
But it has to be a continuing battle- one step at a time-- one more ousted crooked politician (no matter if they are (R) or (D)) at at time....
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The nation's entire network of left-wing organizations and their multi-billion dollar funding apparatus in corporate America suffered a setback of historic proportions in 2007 when the House of Representatives, in response to widespread public outrage over mass immigration, refused to pass legislation granting amnesty to an estimated 10 million to 20 million illegal aliens. The House refused to even consider the bill, despite support for it from the president, the Senate, and every major power center in the U.S., including the national Chamber of Commerce, every major daily newspaper, university presidents, immigration advocacy groups and assorted radicals and leftists.
Rarely has the establishment, working in concert with its advance guard on the far left, ever sustained such a defeat. Amnesty for illegal aliens is a long sought goal of both left-wing organizations and the big business groups that back them. For the left, millions of newly legalized immigrants represent a large pool of potential political recruits to use as a battering ram against the white, middle-class society they have longed to destroy. At the same time, those same millions of newly legalized immigrants represent new sources of cheap labor for major corporations.
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kolanuraven
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CA: LOVED the ' twisted testicle' remark...you might be onto something there!!!
Soap: You are not that much older than me, FYI. And as far as me being open minded about you...well you are the one who has stated MANY times that you vote straight party ticket....no matter what...and have condemned those of us that vote for the best person, regardless of party lines. No, I don't see you as open-minded.
If we , yes GA was one of the original, as colonies had not protested our relationship England in the ' days of old'.....you'd be having ' tea & crumpets" on the wild plains of Nebraska instead of prairie oysters. Better yet...you'd probably not even EXISTED as a state, a county called Cherry , only a subject of the Crown !!!
Ever think of that....or was that protest and whining and griping a waste of time also???
You keep on "riding for the ditch" as hard as you can....it's America and you can do that with a smile on your face if you like.
Me, I'll scream, yell and slap all the way to perdition!!!
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Soapweed
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Soap: You are not that much older than me, FYI. And as far as me being open minded about you...well you are the one who has stated MANY times that you vote straight party ticket....no matter what...and have condemned those of us that vote for the best person, regardless of party lines.
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My point is that I am "open-minded" enough to vote for the best person, regardless of party affiliation. It is just so seldom that a Democrat is what I would deem to be "the best person." The reason I almost always end up voting for the Republican running in a race, is that their beliefs and positions on issues are most in line with my own thoughts of what is right.
The other reason I tend to vote a straight party ticket, is that once a candidate arrives in Washington, they usually vote for the Party that brought them to the dance. Democrats hang together and Republicans hang together. I voted for Chuch Hagel from Nebraska. He ran on the Republican ticket, and I thought his interests and mine coincided. When he got to Washington, he jumped ship and now sides with the Democrats. If he were to run again as a Republican, I would vote for the Democrat instead.
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hopalong
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Soap: You are not that much older than me, FYI. And as far as me being open minded about you...well you are the one who has stated MANY times that you vote straight party ticket....no matter what...and have condemned those of us that vote for the best person, regardless of party lines.
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My point is that I am "open-minded" enough to vote for the best person, regardless of party affiliation. It is just so seldom that a Democrat is what I would deem to be "the best person." The reason I almost always end up voting for the Republican running in a race, is that their beliefs and positions on issues are most in line with my own thoughts of what is right.
Soapweed, you need to stop and think for a second.
You are refering to USING common sense something our liberal Bush haters are incapable of doing. They have tunnel vision when it comes to that.
The other reason I tend to vote a straight party ticket, is that once a candidate arrives in Washington, they usually vote for the Party that brought them to the dance. Democrats hang together and Republicans hang together. I voted for Chuch Hagel from Nebraska. He ran on the Republican ticket, and I thought his interests and mine coincided. When he got to Washington, he jumped ship and now sides with the Democrats. If he were to run again as a Republican, I would vote for the Democrat instead. |
Soapweed, you need to stop and think for a second.
You are refering to USING common sense something our liberal Bush haters are incapable of doing. They have tunnel vision when it comes to that.
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You lucky girl you. 
