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aplusmnt
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Saw Dick Morris on Reilly and he had an interesting point. If there is any doubt which Obama will show up as President, just look at who will control congress. He will have no choice but to go back far left as he has been for last three years that he was in Washington as well as in IL


What do you think McCain will do Say what? Its hard telling as he's been everywhere on the spectrum...
Its almost written in sand that Congress will be heavily controlled by the Dems (thanks to King George and Oilman Cheney)--it will be very interesting to see which direction McCain might go- as you can see that many of the Liberal groups think of him as on their side-- all you have to do is throw enough Lobbyist money his direction or have a pretty young Lobbyist wave her tail at him- and he's yours.... Rolling Eyes


McCain has not flipped as much as you Bush haters are trying to make it out to be. Basically he has a pretty established foundation to predict what kind of President he will be. I do not agree with a lot of his ideas on issues but I do think he will do as he says about going after Pork on bills. I think he cares about his legacy and I think he will try to make some stands on issues like spending that other Presidents have not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
aplusmnt wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
aplusmnt wrote:
Saw Dick Morris on Reilly and he had an interesting point. If there is any doubt which Obama will show up as President, just look at who will control congress. He will have no choice but to go back far left as he has been for last three years that he was in Washington as well as in IL


What do you think McCain will do Say what? Its hard telling as he's been everywhere on the spectrum...
Its almost written in sand that Congress will be heavily controlled by the Dems (thanks to King George and Oilman Cheney)--it will be very interesting to see which direction McCain might go- as you can see that many of the Liberal groups think of him as on their side-- all you have to do is throw enough Lobbyist money his direction or have a pretty young Lobbyist wave her tail at him- and he's yours.... Rolling Eyes


McCain has not flipped as much as you Bush haters are trying to make it out to be. Basically he has a pretty established foundation to predict what kind of President he will be. I do not agree with a lot of his ideas on issues but I do think he will do as he says about going after Pork on bills. I think he cares about his legacy and I think he will try to make some stands on issues like spending that other Presidents have not.


He's already changed his mind twice on balancing the budget! First he could do it his first term, then it was going to take two terms, and now he's back to one term! Where do you get this confidence? To his credit, so far he's hanging tough on stem cell research and not drilling in ANWR. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fff wrote:
aplusmnt wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
aplusmnt wrote:
Saw Dick Morris on Reilly and he had an interesting point. If there is any doubt which Obama will show up as President, just look at who will control congress. He will have no choice but to go back far left as he has been for last three years that he was in Washington as well as in IL


What do you think McCain will do Say what? Its hard telling as he's been everywhere on the spectrum...
Its almost written in sand that Congress will be heavily controlled by the Dems (thanks to King George and Oilman Cheney)--it will be very interesting to see which direction McCain might go- as you can see that many of the Liberal groups think of him as on their side-- all you have to do is throw enough Lobbyist money his direction or have a pretty young Lobbyist wave her tail at him- and he's yours.... Rolling Eyes


McCain has not flipped as much as you Bush haters are trying to make it out to be. Basically he has a pretty established foundation to predict what kind of President he will be. I do not agree with a lot of his ideas on issues but I do think he will do as he says about going after Pork on bills. I think he cares about his legacy and I think he will try to make some stands on issues like spending that other Presidents have not.


He's already changed his mind twice on balancing the budget! First he could do it his first term, then it was going to take two terms, and now he's back to one term! Where do you get this confidence? To his credit, so far he's hanging tough on stem cell research and not drilling in ANWR. Laughing


Changing his mind trying to get those votes ain't he? He's the same o same o world trader/free trader-whatever the corporate leaders want.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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He's already changed his mind twice on balancing the budget! First he could do it his first term, then it was going to take two terms, and now he's back to one term! Where do you get this confidence? To his credit, so far he's hanging tough on stem cell research and not drilling in ANWR. Laughing


There is a big difference on evaluating situations that change than flipping on core values.

McCain will probably never be able to balance the budget, or maybe he will there are lots of uncertainties with the world and economics.

Just like drilling offshore, I would not like to see it either if gas was $1.00 a gallon but at $4.00 it is a good idea. Switching on issues like this are very wise and as a President should. Especially when you factor in that China will be doing it anyways less than 100 miles off our shore and a lot less friendly to our Eco system.

You really need to know the difference in flipping on core issues and being liquid in your policies and different issues arise.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Is Barack Obama a liberal? Reply with quote
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Is Barack Obama a liberal?

The National Journal said so based on one metric and the Republicans have been using this in their talking points every since. But there are many ways to measure a senators's voting record. Our measurements, based on what liberal groups like ACLU and NARAL think of him, rank him as 42nd.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/lib_senator_ratings-2007.html

And what do conservative groups think of him? They don't like him, but there are 30 senators who are even worse, that is, who vote the "wrong way" even more often than Obama.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/con_senator_ratings-2007.html

How a senator comes out in the ratings depends on lot of who is doing the rating and what their hobby horses are. Our ratings are based on a wide spectrum of issues so if senator is pro-life that does not necessarily mean he isn't liberal. He might be fantastic on labor issues, gay rights, etc. Ditto for conservatives. A senator who is pro-choice could also be a fanatic tax cutter and fan of small government. Take a look at our ratings but also check out CQ Politics' story on ratings today.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002900172



http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Jun19.html


Now tell us. Is Buckwheat a "LIBERAL"? Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Barack Obama a liberal? Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Quote:
Is Barack Obama a liberal?

The National Journal said so based on one metric and the Republicans have been using this in their talking points every since. But there are many ways to measure a senators's voting record. Our measurements, based on what liberal groups like ACLU and NARAL think of him, rank him as 42nd.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/lib_senator_ratings-2007.html

And what do conservative groups think of him? They don't like him, but there are 30 senators who are even worse, that is, who vote the "wrong way" even more often than Obama.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/con_senator_ratings-2007.html

How a senator comes out in the ratings depends on lot of who is doing the rating and what their hobby horses are. Our ratings are based on a wide spectrum of issues so if senator is pro-life that does not necessarily mean he isn't liberal. He might be fantastic on labor issues, gay rights, etc. Ditto for conservatives. A senator who is pro-choice could also be a fanatic tax cutter and fan of small government. Take a look at our ratings but also check out CQ Politics' story on ratings today.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002900172



http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Jun19.html


Now tell us. Is Buckwheat a "LIBERAL"? Laughing Laughing


Remind me of who the choices were-- more of BUSH III or a new direction...So far I'm happy with someone that has actually done something- from putting thru a Health Care Plan (that even all conservatives said that "not doing anything was no longer an option")- to taking on the Big Finance Fatcats (Many of which in the banking industry testified to Congress they needed the old rules back to create a fair playing field) to prevent another Bush Bust - to actually looking at enforcing the GIPSA and PSA rules that Bush employees testified they were "supposed to do nothing but shuffle papers and look busy"-- to the fact that the Obama Dept of Justice is looking into and investigating these "too big to allow fails"- both in finance and in industry (Like the 90% packer control between 3-4 multinational conglomerates)- so that we don't need any more GW's bailing out the "too big to let fails" and creating the Bush Busts...

The thing he has not yet gotten thru is a comprehensive- long range energy program- which when I watched all the Congressional hearings- even the top oil and energy people testified was needed (damn the consequences of Cap and Trade or whatever) so that at least they knew where the next 20-30-50 years was headed- and could invest accordingly- rather than the hit and miss rules of today- or leaving it up to the EPA law to make those decisions...

I don't see it as Liberal- I see it as common sense.....
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Barack Obama a liberal? Reply with quote
Oldtimer wrote:
Mike wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Quote:
Is Barack Obama a liberal?

The National Journal said so based on one metric and the Republicans have been using this in their talking points every since. But there are many ways to measure a senators's voting record. Our measurements, based on what liberal groups like ACLU and NARAL think of him, rank him as 42nd.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/lib_senator_ratings-2007.html

And what do conservative groups think of him? They don't like him, but there are 30 senators who are even worse, that is, who vote the "wrong way" even more often than Obama.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/con_senator_ratings-2007.html

How a senator comes out in the ratings depends on lot of who is doing the rating and what their hobby horses are. Our ratings are based on a wide spectrum of issues so if senator is pro-life that does not necessarily mean he isn't liberal. He might be fantastic on labor issues, gay rights, etc. Ditto for conservatives. A senator who is pro-choice could also be a fanatic tax cutter and fan of small government. Take a look at our ratings but also check out CQ Politics' story on ratings today.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002900172



http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Jun19.html


Now tell us. Is Buckwheat a "LIBERAL"? Laughing Laughing


Remind me of who the choices were-- more of BUSH III or a new direction...So far I'm happy with someone that has actually done something- from putting thru a Health Care Plan (that even all conservatives said that "not doing anything was no longer an option")- to taking on the Big Finance Fatcats (Many of which in the banking industry testified to Congress they needed the old rules back to create a fair playing field) to prevent another Bush Bust - to actually looking at enforcing the GIPSA and PSA rules that Bush employees testified they were "supposed to do nothing but shuffle papers and look busy"-- to the fact that the Obama Dept of Justice is looking into and investigating these "too big to allow fails"- both in finance and in industry (Like the 90% packer control between 3-4 multinational conglomerates)- so that we don't need any more GW's bailing out the "too big to let fails" and creating the Bush Busts...

The thing he has not yet gotten thru is a comprehensive- long range energy program- which when I watched all the Congressional hearings- even the top oil and energy people testified was needed (damn the consequences of Cap and Trade or whatever) so that at least they knew where the next 20-30-50 years was headed- and could invest accordingly- rather than the hit and miss rules of today- or leaving it up to the EPA law to make those decisions...

I don't see it as Liberal- I see it as common sense.....




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55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama?

July 09, 2010 9:13 AM By Jim Geraghty
Tags: 2010, Barack Obama

The latest poll by Democracy Corps, the firm of James Carville and Stan Greenberg, has Republicans leading on the generic ballot among likely voters, 48 percent to 42 percent.

Deep in the poll, they ask, “Now, I am going to read you a list of words and phrases which people use to describe political figures. For each word or phrase, please tell me whether it describes Barack Obama very well, well, not too well, or not well at all.”

On “too liberal,” 35 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 21 percent say “well,” 21 percent say “not too well,” and 17 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 56 percent of likely voters consider Obama too liberal.

When asked about “a socialist,” 33 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 22 percent say “well,” 15 percent say “not too well,” and 25 percent say “not well at all.”

In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Obama is a Kenyan. He was put in office by the Bilderburg Group. He was in the CIA in the 80's.

BTW, the CIA imports the Cocaine from Columbia and the Opium from Afghanistan. Our troops are guarding the opium fields there currently. We use the money for black ops such as 9/11 and things like the Mumbai attacks we did last year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Obama is a Kenyan. He was put in office by the Bilderburg Group. He was in the CIA in the 80's.

BTW, the CIA imports the Cocaine from Columbia and the Opium from Afghanistan. Our troops are guarding the opium fields there currently. We use the money for black ops such as 9/11 and things like the Mumbai attacks we did last year.


Alex, is that you?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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shaumei wrote:
Obama is a Kenyan. He was put in office by the Bilderburg Group. He was in the CIA in the 80's.

BTW, the CIA imports the Cocaine from Columbia and the Opium from Afghanistan. Our troops are guarding the opium fields there currently. We use the money for black ops such as 9/11 and things like the Mumbai attacks we did last year.


Alex, is that you?


You must be referring to Alex Jones. He does a great job. i do not agree with him on everything though. I do my own research and make up my own mind. I know that there is a Jewish Cabal involved with our foreign policy from AIPAC. Alex does not go there. There are many good Jews and I do not hate anyone other than traitors to our country.

I only posted this stuff here as I know ranchers are the backbone of our country. Good people that need to know what is really going on. God Bless.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
shaumei wrote:
hypocritexposer wrote:
shaumei wrote:
Obama is a Kenyan. He was put in office by the Bilderburg Group. He was in the CIA in the 80's.

BTW, the CIA imports the Cocaine from Columbia and the Opium from Afghanistan. Our troops are guarding the opium fields there currently. We use the money for black ops such as 9/11 and things like the Mumbai attacks we did last year.


Alex, is that you?


You must be referring to Alex Jones. He does a great job. i do not agree with him on everything though. I do my own research and make up my own mind. I know that there is a Jewish Cabal involved with our foreign policy from AIPAC. Alex does not go there. There are many good Jews and I do not hate anyone other than traitors to our country.

I only posted this stuff here as I know ranchers are the backbone of our country. Good people that need to know what is really going on. God Bless.


Shaumei-
I have read about most of what you are talking about- obviously not as much as you have, you really add something here to this site.
my questions to you are these:

"What can we do about this?"

" How are knowing these things going to help me live my life any differently today?"

Thanks
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