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 Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: Is Barack Obama a liberal? |
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Is Barack Obama a liberal?
The National Journal said so based on one metric and the Republicans have been using this in their talking points every since. But there are many ways to measure a senators's voting record. Our measurements, based on what liberal groups like ACLU and NARAL think of him, rank him as 42nd.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/lib_senator_ratings-2007.html
And what do conservative groups think of him? They don't like him, but there are 30 senators who are even worse, that is, who vote the "wrong way" even more often than Obama.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/con_senator_ratings-2007.html
How a senator comes out in the ratings depends on lot of who is doing the rating and what their hobby horses are. Our ratings are based on a wide spectrum of issues so if senator is pro-life that does not necessarily mean he isn't liberal. He might be fantastic on labor issues, gay rights, etc. Ditto for conservatives. A senator who is pro-choice could also be a fanatic tax cutter and fan of small government. Take a look at our ratings but also check out CQ Politics' story on ratings today.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002900172
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http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Jun19.html
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Is Barack Obama a liberal? |
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Is Barack Obama a liberal?
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I hope.
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| He a flipping socialist, not to mention a hypocrite and a racist.
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| He a flipping socialist, not to mention a hypocrite and a racist. |
We see what conservative government did to this country for the last few years. I'd take a liberal anytime over that.  |
Bush isn't a conservative |
Yes, he is. He ran as a "compassionate conservative." He rushed back to DC to "save" Terri Schiavo's life. He's vetoed stem cell research, cut taxes, cut government oversight on business. There's a long list of things Bush has done to cater to the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Bush is a conservative. He's governed as a conservative, right along with a conservative Congress until last year. And look what a mess they made of this country.  Bring me a liberal and let's see what he can do! |
He's not a conservative, no matter what he may call himself.
You had a liberal. His name was Jimmy Carter. That really worked well. |
If Ronald Reagan had continued on with Carter's conservation and alternative fuel programs, we'd be in a much better place today. People were building earth sheltered homes, buying more efficient heating systems, putting in double paned windows, installing solar panels, installing their own wind generators..... When Reagan came into office and the Arabs lifted their embargo, all that went away.
We had another liberal: Bill Clinton. That worked pretty well, too. Budget surplus, relative peace in the world, respect of the world.
Please give me a chance to vote for another liberal for president!
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I think you're incorrect about people not installing solar panels, wind generators, etc... I'll bet you there's a heck of a lot more of them now than when Carter left. However, even if that were so, that would be Reagan's fault?
Clinton had a budget surplus? Peace in the world? I think you've been inhaling.
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I think you're incorrect about people not installing solar panels, wind generators, etc... I'll bet you there's a heck of a lot more of them now than when Carter left. However, even if that were so, that would be Reagan's fault?
Clinton had a budget surplus? Peace in the world? I think you've been inhaling. |
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You may be eligible for a tax deduction of up to $1.80 per square foot for improving the energy efficiency of your existing commercial buildings or designing high efficiency into new buildings. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 includes a tax deduction for investments in “energy efficient commercial building property” designed to significantly reduce the heating, cooling, water heating, and interior lighting energy cost of new or existing commercial buildings. To be eligible, the energy-efficient commercial building property—such as a state-of-the-art lighting system—must be placed in service between January 1, 2006 and December 31, 2008.
To qualify for the full deduction ($1.80 per sq. ft.) a building owner must make investments designed to reduce energy costs by at least 50%. A partial deduction, and more likely to qualify, of up to $0.60 per square foot is available for investments in one of three systems: lighting, heating and cooling or building envelope-designed to reduce energy costs by 16 and 2/3% (one third of the 50% requirement).
Tax deductions reduce your overall taxable income with the value of the deduction
dependent on your tax bracket. Tax credits, such as the ones provided for consumers in the 2005 Energy Policy Act, reduce the amount of tax you owe dollar for dollar.
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