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 Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Record crowd |
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A record-breaking 100,000 people cheered Sen. Barack Obama under the Gateway Arch on the Mississippi River, by far the biggest stateside crowd drawn by the Democratic nominee.
"All I can say is, wow," said Obama, surveying the sea of supporters, including a few watching from trees and nearby balconies. His home state of Illinois was right across the muddy river.
The huge turnout seemed to confirm that Missouri, the ultimate bellwether, is within reach for Obama this year. Republicans are blanketing the state with robocalls and direct mail, trying to erode support for Obama, but also down ballot as well. Democrats hope to pick up two House seats in Missouri, and could win the governorship.
Obama disputed allegations by Sen. John McCain that he was sparking class warfare by proposing a tax hike for the wealthy, and tax cuts for the middle and working classes.
"My opponent's been talking a lot about taxes in his campaign," Obama told the crowd. "But here's the truth Missouri -- we are both offering tax cuts. The difference is who we're cutting taxes for."
He framed it as a moral debate. "It comes down to values," Obama continued. "In America, do we simply value wealth -- or do we value the work that creates it? For eight years, we've seen what happens when we put the extremely wealthy and well-connected ahead of working people."
At an event in Florida yesterday, McCain described Obama's tax plan as "welfare." In a radio address today, he cited his friend Joe the Plumber's assessment of Obama's tax plan as "socialism."
"And a lot of Americans are thinking along those same lines," McCain said.
Obama retorted, "Senator McCain has been attacking my middle class tax cut. He actually said it goes to 'those who don't pay taxes,' even though it only goes to working people who are already getting taxed on their paycheck. That's right, Missouri -- John McCain is so out of touch with the struggles you are facing that he must be the first politician in history to call a tax cut for working people 'welfare.'"
Obama was joined by Sen. Claire McCaskill, an early supporter who has become one of the Democratic nominee's most effective surrogates. The Democrat was a surprise winner in 2006, beating GOP incumbent Sen. Jim Talent by winning support in the rural and more conservative corners of the Show-Me state.
"Never anything close," McCaskill said of the crowd, "in the history of this state."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/18/obama_draws_100000_in_missouri.html |
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Wonder what the 'enticements' were? It took big rock bands over in Germany, as I recall.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Wonder what the 'enticements' were? It took big rock bands over in Germany, as I recall.
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He got 200,000 there. How many are showing up at McCain rallies....even with a band and beer?
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The unmistakable momentum behind Barack Obama's campaign, combined with worry that John McCain is not doing enough to stop it, is ratcheting up fears and frustrations among conservatives.
And nowhere is this emotion on plainer display than at Republican rallies, where voters this week have shouted out insults at the mention of Obama, pleaded with McCain to get more aggressive with the Democrat and generally demonstrated the sort of visceral anger and unease that reflects a party on the precipice of panic.
http://news.aol.com/article/anger-roils-mccain-rally-crowds/207330 |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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McCain supporters are all out working--
Obama supporters have nothing else to do except wait for the checks to come in!!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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McCain lies even about his crowds:
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The GOP presidential ticket ventured into the heavily Democratic Virginia suburbs adjacent to Washington, where a boisterous and undeniably large audience greeted the pair. But exactly how large? Most news reports, such as CNN's, went with the police estimate of at least 23,000 (a number eagerly embraced by the McCain camp).
The New York Times, though, used in its story the reckoning from fire marshals: 15,000. Meanwhile, Marc Fisher of the Washington Post, a columnist for the local section, wrote that he counted it at 8,000 (though he also noted the 23,000 police estimate).
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ticket14-2008sep14,0,6087991.story?track=rss |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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The unmistakable momentum behind Barack Obama's campaign, combined with worry that John McCain is not doing enough to stop it, is ratcheting up fears and frustrations among conservatives.
And nowhere is this emotion on plainer display than at Republican rallies, where voters this week have shouted out insults at the mention of Obama, pleaded with McCain to get more aggressive with the Democrat and generally demonstrated the sort of visceral anger and unease that reflects a party on the precipice of panic.
http://news.aol.com/article/anger-roils-mccain-rally-crowds/207330 |
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I figured someone would bring this up eventually. As always, there is another, mostly unreported side to the story.
The Rage That's Not On Your Front Page
Michelle Malkin
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
When a few unruly McCain-Palin supporters show their anger at campaign rallies, it's national news. It's an epidemic of "Weimar-like rage" and "violent escalation of rhetoric," according to New York Times columnist Frank Rich. It's the "re-emergence of the far right as a power in American politics," according to Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne. It's a mass movement of GOP crowds "gripped by insane rage," according to newly minted Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman.
Too bad they don't give out global awards for the Blindest Eyes in Punditocracy. We've just hit a trifecta.
Are a few activists on the right getting out of hand? Probably. Between massive ACORN voter fraud, Bill Ayers' and Jeremiah Wright's unrepentant hatred of America, and John McCain's inability to nail Barack Obama on his longtime alliances with all of the above, conservatives have plenty to shout about these days.
But a couple of random catcallers do not a mob make. And there's an overflowing abundance of electoral rage on the left that won't make it onto your newspaper's front page.
Last month on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, a small, brave contingent of McCain supporters marched through the streets with campaign signs. They were met by a menacing horde of New Yorkers who displayed their disapproval with a barrage of jeers and vulgar gestures. ("The number of middle fingers in the 'progressive crowd' is directly proportional to the number of Ph.D. degrees in the 10-block radius," one of the witnesses wryly observed.) A YouTube video of the confrontation now has nearly half a million views (www.youtube.com and search "Pro-McCain March in Manhattan"). But don't expect to find it on the nightly news. It doesn't fit the Angry Right narrative.
Neither does the near-riotous reaction of Obama supporters to a McCain-Palin sign in Democrat-dominated Prince George's County, Md. Buried in a back local section, The Washington Post reported this week that "pandemonium" broke loose when an unsuspecting businessman erected a "Country First. McCain/Palin." message on the marquee at his Colony South Hotel & Conference Center.
"Operators of neighborhood e-mail group lists cried foul to their memberships. The NAACP logged calls. Community leaders demanded boycotts of the hotel, a common venue for Democratic events," the little-noticed article reported. A black professor called the sign "a stink bomb in the middle of the living room" of Obama land. The poor hotel manager, Alan Vahabzadeh, surrendered. "I didn't even realize it was going to be like this."
Can't blame him for missing the fiery hint from Portland, Ore. -- where two deranged vandals were arrested after throwing a Molotov cocktail at a McCain yard sign in the middle of the night. Nope, that didn't make it into the columns of Rich, Dionne or Krugman. Doesn't fit the Angry Right narrative.
Speaking of "violent escalation of rhetoric" you never hear about:
Obama supporters in Philadelphia sported "Sarah Palin is a [disgusting vulgarism referring to female genitalia]" T-shirts and yelled, "Let's stone her, old school" over the weekend.
An Internet artist has designated Palin an "M.I.L.P." -- "Mother I'd Like to Punch" -- and published a drawing of a man's fist knocking a tooth out of the Alaska governor's mouth and the glasses off her face.
"ABORT Palin" graffiti has sprouted on the sidewalks of Seattle, and "Abort Sarah Palin" bumper stickers are spreading in Web stores.
-- Palin-bashing Madonna performs before an audience of thousands, screeching and threatening to "kick her a**."
-- Getty Images publishes a photo of a man pointing a fake gun at the head of a cardboard cutout of Palin on display at the Brooklyn Waterfront Artists Coalition building.
And no one blinks. Not a peep from the Obamedia.
But when Palin simply spotlights Obama's longtime relationship with Weather Underground terrorist Bill "We Didn't Do Enough" Ayers?
"Inciting violence," frets NBC reporter Ron Allen. "Concerned for Sen. Obama's safety," agonizes ABC reporter Terry Moran. "Beyond the pale," cries Obama campaign manager David Plouffe. As if the no-holds-barred Obama campaign has ever had a rhetorical pale to stake.
All the world's a Kabuki stage for the selectively outraged over rage.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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of course these wackos have no limits when protecting thier man. because he will take what you earn, and give it to them! so they will get him in the White House at any cost.
this boy makes old slick willie look like a fair player!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I can find plenty of incidents where Palin and McCain crowds have insulted/threatened Obama and Democrats. One reporter was actually assaulted at a Palin rally after she complained about the "liberal media." |
And there are plenty of instances where Obama supporters have threatened and committed violence against Republicans and their property. But you won't read about it as often in the "liberal media". That was my point.
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| McCain himself was booed when he called Obama a "decent man." |
I've seen clips where people at Obama rallys have booed when he's said something nice about McCain or Palin. So what? People act like this has never happened before during a presidential campaign. 
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| Black reporters have been asked to leave Palin rallies because security worried for their safety. |
One instance of he said/she said. I'd hardly call that an epidemic, but, of course, that's what the "liberal media" wants us to believe. I don't buy it.
"Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said two other Florida reporters were removed along with Price and any other reporters who weren't with the national press should have been removed as well. At all campaign events, national and local press are separated for logistical reasons.
"Race played absolutely no role in any actions taken by our employees or anybody else in this case," Zahren said."
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| Palin and McCain are, as George Wallace said, putting the hay down where the goats can get it. And it won't do them any good. People like these aren't going to vote for Obama. And they turn off independents who might vote for them. |
So McCain calls Obama a "decent man", has bent over backwards during the entire campaign to keep race out of it, never mentions Jeremiah Wright (which the Clintons pounded him on during the primary), and he's still being compared to George Wallace. Boy, that race card must be getting pretty frayed around the edges by now. Sickening.
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And none of this shows that McCain can draw a crowd anywhere near what Obama draws.  |
So why did YOU bring up the subject of hostile crowds? Besides, even if the size of these huge crowds are accurate (and we've all seen crowd size misrepresented before), it apparently doesn't have much bearing on the poll numbers. Heck, Obama should be up by 30 points if all the hype were true. The only crowd that really matters is the one that shows up on election day. We'll see.
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| You want to know what racism is, 92% of the blacks voting for oblahblah and then trying to acuse whites of being racists. What stupidity
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