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Ben H
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:21 am    Post subject: Montana Reply with quote

Living here in Maine is pretty tough, I'd like some input on opportunities in Montana. We have the oldest population in the US, people are moving out of state due to a lack of jobs. Taxes are one of the highest in the US. Ever since most of the mills closed there has been little done to create an environment to bring jobs into the state. Southern Maine is known as Northern Massachusetts due to everyone leaving Mass and trying to make where they move to more like where they come from. It's pretty frustrating because the mindset in the North East is so liberal. I am loosing faith that it can be reversed, part of me really wants to just move and let these people destroy themselves with their liberal policies.

What's holding me here in my family's farm, I have started developing a customer base for my grassfed beef. I work another job that I dislike, while I try to grow my business to one day be self independent and not work for anyone. I work a job I dislike because it at least offers the flexibility to allow me to pursue other things.

Montana is one of the states that I feel is headed in the right direction, I'm curious what kind of opportunities, if any, there are for a person in my situation.


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theony
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would probably have to settle for half the pay. some jobs in energy, oil fields etc. Truck driving. That's why Montana has less then 1 million people. If there were lots of opportunities we would surpass California in population. Shocked
Say what? Whoops, I momentarily forgot about our Winters. Embarassed


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I Luv Herfrds
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have lost over 1/2 of both logging and mining jobs. Trying to buy land that is overpriced is difficult especially if you are trying to start something.
State has turned more into a retirement/hunting preserve then anything else.


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I Luv Herfrds
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry didn't think it posted. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

theony wrote:
You would probably have to settle for half the pay. some jobs in energy, oil fields etc. Truck driving. That's why Montana has less then 1 million people. If there were lots of opportunities we would surpass California in population. Shocked
Say what? Whoops, I momentarily forgot about our Winters. Embarassed


Yep- and that low pay is the reason Montana is aging so much too...Lot of the smartest and brightest move to areas where they can start out making 100 K...

All the energy-transportation-mining jobs were booming until last summer/fall--but now quite a few people out of work....Mines closed down, stacked a lot of the oil rigs, construction companies stopped a lot of building projects, railroad has furloughed several...
And it really hasn't came back yet this spring....

Altho with many of the construction projects about to open up now that the weather is here- I think things may be picking up...
Yesterday I saw the neatest sight- a west bound Burlington Northern freight train sitting on a siding- made up completely of flat cars carrying the huge white vanes for wind turbines...Each blade took up 3 1/3 flat cars overlapping---and the entire train was blades as far as I could see...


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theony
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, speaking of trains. The track from Plentywood to Scobey is now a storage site for old rolling stock and same for branch line out of Glendive. No wonder, Not going to be many opportunities for RR employment. Soon to be the 2 main lines and that is pretty much it.


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Ben H
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like Montana has a lot of the same problems we have, everything here seems to focus around tourism as a major industry. Our population is only about 1.2 million. I wonder how much the average pay really differs from here, we have pretty low pay in Maine. My wife has been a bank teller for a few years and makes less then $10/hr. The bank she works for was rated as the #1 Business in Maine to work for this year.

I hate to say this, but when the system crashes, these folks with their head in the sand who didn't prepare are going to wipe each other out. I just need to sit back and watch the carnage.

Are there opportunities in MT to lease land from absentee landowners and custom graze cattle? When I was looking online at properties a few years back it appeared that everything was being sold as "ranchettes".

Realistically, I guess I need to make the best of what I have here.


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Oldtimer
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theony wrote:
Yup, speaking of trains. The track from Plentywood to Scobey is now a storage site for old rolling stock and same for branch line out of Glendive. No wonder, Not going to be many opportunities for RR employment. Soon to be the 2 main lines and that is pretty much it.


Yep those old branch lines look like a flatcar graveyard with the thousands of unused cars sitting on them... Sad

Ben H
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Are there opportunities in MT to lease land from absentee landowners and custom graze cattle? When I was looking online at properties a few years back it appeared that everything was being sold as "ranchettes".


Ben H-- the major problem around the state is that unless they have someone to leave the place too- most older ranchers are selling out for high dollar...Over west a lot was being bought up by speculators subdividing it up for these ranchettes.....
And over here in the east- either the hunters or the bunny huggers have a whole lot more money than the land is worth for production...Several of these large ranchs have been bought up by "nature & conservation" groups- with the idea of it going back to the buffalo and antelope...

Here in my county just this winter they have been trying to buy up a large grazing district that runs 4,000-5,000 head or so- mainly because it joins into the CM Russel Game Range- and they could make it into a refuge...
The 20+ owners have so far turned them down- but like we were talking the other day- with the money those folks have, someday they'll come back and make the owners an offer they can't refuse....


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Frank in West Dakota
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grass is always greener, but there's usually a reason it's greener! Confused


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Blkbuckaroo
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Log mills are all closing here,think it's the same everywhere.Better sit tight.


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Silver
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Move north young man. Northern Ab, Sk, or BC all still have plenty of opportunity and pay scale is still pretty fair.


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jigs
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you tried writing a letter to Obama... this sounds like it would be right up his alley. take land from those who have it, and give it to those who want it!! you may have to form a union and get an abortion first, but it is worth a shot





think about it, you REALLY want to be neighbors with Oldtimer?? granted, the idea of knowing a guy that you can buy a verdict off of is nice, but livinig day in and day out with him???


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