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hypocritexposer
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The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues.
The qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program require a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.
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"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."
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Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. |
It would have been illegal for them to confirm or deny any information on the web released BC.
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The Hawaii officials do not verify that Obama was born in Hawaii, nor do they verify that the COLB as shown at FactCheck matches the one on file. All they say is that Obama has a valid certificate on file.
And, it would be illegal under Hawaiian law for them to have done that. In fact, the article references §338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, which is here (bolding added):
Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health. |
If born outside Hawaii, he may still have a Hawaiian BC. Without seeing the long form BC, no one can say definitely where he was born.
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Note also §338-17.8 (link), under which Obama could have been born outside of Hawaii and still have a Hawaiian birth certificate on file:
Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate. |
The certificate shown on his campaign website, after it was released to DailyKOS, was printed in 2007. Where did the original go that Obama mentions in "Dreams from my Father"?
If he had the long form to prove his eligibility to the electoral college and the DNC, why did he not just make that one available to DailyKOS. why did he have a new one printed up?
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Sandhusker
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[quote="reader (the Second)"]Six months ago I debated the birth certificate question. I said everything there was to say then. Sandhusker is a broken record on this issue and you are his loyal cheerleader.
BOOOORRRRRIINNNGGG and a waste of time.[/quote
Horsecrap. You don't have to say anything. All you have to do is provide a link to the SOB's birth certificate, which you can't do. NOBODY can do it because HE'S NEVER PROVIDED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Use your head, Reader, if he had provided it, why are there lawsuits to see it? Why is he spending thousands and thousands of dollars to keep a document hidden that he has already provided? Why is he spending all that money to keep a document hidden that is legitimate?
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hopalong
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don
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| sandhusker should prove his own case rather than just making accusations and waiting for somebody to disprove them.
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loomixguy
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I not only had to show my sons ORIGINAL birth certificate, but had to give it to the Local Little League Baseball organization to hold until all All-Star play is over.
Pretty crazy that my 11 year old son has to forfeit his Original Birth Certificate to play Little League Baseball, but Obama spends thousands to keep his hidden and is President of the United States!
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No,whats crazy is you given your sons BC away to a little league organization.What the hell do they need it for....If people have to cheat that much then what does that say about the parents invovled....If we cant even trust little league anymore,then there is no saving us from ourselfs.... |
Well, Aptly Named One, as a father to 2 girls who have played on 2 State Champion softball teams, (and may well win a third title next weekend!), BC's are provided to officials may ensure that the girls are, indeed, 14 and under, or 16 and under, or 18 and under, on January 1 of the current year. This is done so some 20 year old college ringer can't slip in and pitch in one tournament for a team and help them win.
Several weeks ago we played in a tourney against a team where the smallest player was 5'6" and weighed around 150. Our coach, upon looking at these girls on the opposing team asked me if I had any suggestions.....I told him to demand DNA testing to prove they were indeed female! But it didn't matter...we kicked their hind ends anyway.
The ASA has rules in place and follows and enforces them....too bad the tards in the government can't do the same concerning presidential candidates.........
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loomixguy
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| sandhusker should prove his own case rather than just making accusations and waiting for somebody to disprove them. |
It would be real simple to disprove Sandy's "accusations", IF Buckwheat was actually a citizen.
For such a simple request as a long form BC, something sure stinks, and it ain't Gottsch's feedyard, either.
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hopalong
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I not only had to show my sons ORIGINAL birth certificate, but had to give it to the Local Little League Baseball organization to hold until all All-Star play is over.
Pretty crazy that my 11 year old son has to forfeit his Original Birth Certificate to play Little League Baseball, but Obama spends thousands to keep his hidden and is President of the United States!
Does kind of make you say hhhmmmmm? |
No,whats crazy is you given your sons BC away to a little league organization.What the hell do they need it for....If people have to cheat that much then what does that say about the parents invovled....If we cant even trust little league anymore,then there is no saving us from ourselfs.... |
The Little League World Series is a baseball tournament for children aged 11, 12 and 13 years old. Named for the World Series in Major League Baseball, it was first held in 1947 and is held every August in Williamsport, Pennsylvania in the United States. (The postal address of the organization is in Williamsport, but the stadium complex is in South Williamsport.) Initially, only teams from the US competed in the "World Series" but it has since become a worldwide tournament. The tournament has gained popular renown, especially in the United States, where games from the Series and even from regional tournaments are broadcast on ESPN. In 2006, the age limit was changed such that players could turn 13 after May 1, not August 1, as had previously been the case. As the competitions take place in the Northern Hemisphere summer, many of the players have already turned 13 before the World Series.
More often that not it was players/managers/parents from outside the USA
that have tried cheating on the age requirments
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nonothing
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I not only had to show my sons ORIGINAL birth certificate, but had to give it to the Local Little League Baseball organization to hold until all All-Star play is over.
Pretty crazy that my 11 year old son has to forfeit his Original Birth Certificate to play Little League Baseball, but Obama spends thousands to keep his hidden and is President of the United States!
Does kind of make you say hhhmmmmm? |
No,whats crazy is you given your sons BC away to a little league organization.What the hell do they need it for....If people have to cheat that much then what does that say about the parents invovled....If we cant even trust little league anymore,then there is no saving us from ourselfs.... |
Well, Aptly Named One, as a father to 2 girls who have played on 2 State Champion softball teams, (and may well win a third title next weekend!), BC's are provided to officials may ensure that the girls are, indeed, 14 and under, or 16 and under, or 18 and under, on January 1 of the current year. This is done so some 20 year old college ringer can't slip in and pitch in one tournament for a team and help them win.
Several weeks ago we played in a tourney against a team where the smallest player was 5'6" and weighed around 150. Our coach, upon looking at these girls on the opposing team asked me if I had any suggestions.....I told him to demand DNA testing to prove they were indeed female! But it didn't matter...we kicked their hind ends anyway.
The ASA has rules in place and follows and enforces them....too bad the tards in the government can't do the same concerning presidential candidates......... |
Like I said ,it is to bad parents/coaches of kids cheat so bad,that we need bc's in minor sports.....It is a shame really..Winning has now become more important then respecting the game....
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Big Muddy rancher
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I not only had to show my sons ORIGINAL birth certificate, but had to give it to the Local Little League Baseball organization to hold until all All-Star play is over.
Pretty crazy that my 11 year old son has to forfeit his Original Birth Certificate to play Little League Baseball, but Obama spends thousands to keep his hidden and is President of the United States!
Does kind of make you say hhhmmmmm? |
No,whats crazy is you given your sons BC away to a little league organization.What the hell do they need it for....If people have to cheat that much then what does that say about the parents invovled....If we cant even trust little league anymore,then there is no saving us from ourselfs.... |
Well, Aptly Named One, as a father to 2 girls who have played on 2 State Champion softball teams, (and may well win a third title next weekend!), BC's are provided to officials may ensure that the girls are, indeed, 14 and under, or 16 and under, or 18 and under, on January 1 of the current year. This is done so some 20 year old college ringer can't slip in and pitch in one tournament for a team and help them win.
Several weeks ago we played in a tourney against a team where the smallest player was 5'6" and weighed around 150. Our coach, upon looking at these girls on the opposing team asked me if I had any suggestions.....I told him to demand DNA testing to prove they were indeed female! But it didn't matter...we kicked their hind ends anyway.
The ASA has rules in place and follows and enforces them....too bad the tards in the government can't do the same concerning presidential candidates......... |
Like I said ,it is to bad parents/coaches of kids cheat so bad,that we need bc's in minor sports.....It is a shame really..Winning has now become more important then respecting the game.... |
Barry must not have played Little League baseball. 
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aplusmnt
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I not only had to show my sons ORIGINAL birth certificate, but had to give it to the Local Little League Baseball organization to hold until all All-Star play is over.
Pretty crazy that my 11 year old son has to forfeit his Original Birth Certificate to play Little League Baseball, but Obama spends thousands to keep his hidden and is President of the United States!
Does kind of make you say hhhmmmmm? |
No,whats crazy is you given your sons BC away to a little league organization.What the hell do they need it for....If people have to cheat that much then what does that say about the parents invovled....If we cant even trust little league anymore,then there is no saving us from ourselfs.... |
Well, Aptly Named One, as a father to 2 girls who have played on 2 State Champion softball teams, (and may well win a third title next weekend!), BC's are provided to officials may ensure that the girls are, indeed, 14 and under, or 16 and under, or 18 and under, on January 1 of the current year. This is done so some 20 year old college ringer can't slip in and pitch in one tournament for a team and help them win.
Several weeks ago we played in a tourney against a team where the smallest player was 5'6" and weighed around 150. Our coach, upon looking at these girls on the opposing team asked me if I had any suggestions.....I told him to demand DNA testing to prove they were indeed female! But it didn't matter...we kicked their hind ends anyway.
The ASA has rules in place and follows and enforces them....too bad the tards in the government can't do the same concerning presidential candidates......... |
Like I said ,it is to bad parents/coaches of kids cheat so bad,that we need bc's in minor sports.....It is a shame really..Winning has now become more important then respecting the game.... |
It is a shame, but people been cheating at sports since they began. Little League World Series has to be careful especially with other countries being invited.
We know how them other countries turn their Cheaters into Hero's you know like Ben Johnson! 
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