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Sandhusker
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| Exactly what does a "self correction" entail?
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Frisco
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:31 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Lone Cowboy, that we were headed for self-correction, until the government decided to "fix" it and save us from ourselves. It only delays the inevitable. I believe, after the stimulus money and the government bailouts bills come due, our country will self correct. Our cost of living (food, fuel, and housing, whether renting or buying,) will increase to where 50% or more of our income goes to sustaining ourselves. Urban areas will be hit hardest by this, but those of us who can raise our own food may actually be the wealthiest during this process.
When you see people crying about losing their homes (which makes me feel sad for them) I don't see victims on the verge of extinction, I see an American who should be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and start over. It may be humbling to have to sell all the TVs and other stuff in the house and move to a smaller place and live with what you need, but that's how this country started.
Handouts and Bailouts do not make citizens proud and productive.
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RobertMac
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| There is really only one solution...the federal government should have to do what every family and most state and local governments have to do...LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS!!!!!!! We, the people, should push until we get a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. This is the only way to stop the abuse of power by all politicians. If your elected official won't support it, vote them out!
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Lonecowboy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| There is really only one solution...the federal government should have to do what every family and most state and local governments have to do...LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS!!!!!!! We, the people, should push until we get a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. This is the only way to stop the abuse of power by all politicians. If your elected official won't support it, vote them out! |
Robert,I would add to this TERM LIMITS
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RobertMac
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| RobertMac wrote: |
| There is really only one solution...the federal government should have to do what every family and most state and local governments have to do...LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS!!!!!!! We, the people, should push until we get a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. This is the only way to stop the abuse of power by all politicians. If your elected official won't support it, vote them out! |
Robert,I would add to this TERM LIMITS |
Where have we heard these before? Back in 1994!
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Lonecowboy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Frisco wrote: |
I agree with Lone Cowboy, that we were headed for self-correction, until the government decided to "fix" it and save us from ourselves. It only delays the inevitable. I believe, after the stimulus money and the government bailouts bills come due, our country will self correct. Our cost of living (food, fuel, and housing, whether renting or buying,) will increase to where 50% or more of our income goes to sustaining ourselves. Urban areas will be hit hardest by this, but those of us who can raise our own food may actually be the wealthiest during this process.
When you see people crying about losing their homes (which makes me feel sad for them) I don't see victims on the verge of extinction, I see an American who should be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and start over. It may be humbling to have to sell all the TVs and other stuff in the house and move to a smaller place and live with what you need, but that's how this country started.
Handouts and Bailouts do not make citizens proud and productive. |
there you have it Frisco-
prices will become real, not this imaginary inflated mess we are in,
life will become real,
land will become priced by what it will produce,
houses will become priced at what they really are, shelter from the elements, you won't see a "housing bubble" if things are real.
where did all the money go that was "lost" in the markets??
it wasn't there, it was all imaginary money, it wasn't real.
Comoditys, things that you can hold in your hands and haul in a truck, real things, will become what they are worth.
Yes times will be tough for people that have been living in this make believe world, but we will all become better and stronger for it.
who has any real wealth right now, the older generation who are depression survivors who have been living within their means in a real sense.working today and saving and building for tomorrow.
Doing it with money they really have,not borrowed.
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Lonecowboy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Lonecowboy wrote: |
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| There is really only one solution...the federal government should have to do what every family and most state and local governments have to do...LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS!!!!!!! We, the people, should push until we get a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. This is the only way to stop the abuse of power by all politicians. If your elected official won't support it, vote them out! |
Robert,I would add to this TERM LIMITS |
Where have we heard these before? Back in 1994! |
refresh my memory please Robert, who was after term limits in 94, what stopped them?? was it politicians??
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Frisco
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Robert Mac,
How can we push our politicians to do anything we want? I personally contact my reperesentatives all the time and I vote every election (county, school board, state, federal), but can we really make a difference when more than half of the country does not vote? It boils down to special interest vs. special interest. It literally makes me sick to my stomach during the Presidential elections to see that so few people vote.
OOps, this is turning into a rant. I want to do everything I can as a citizen (at the bottom of the totem pole) to make my voice heard, but is it enough?
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RobertMac
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| RobertMac wrote: |
| There is really only one solution...the federal government should have to do what every family and most state and local governments have to do...LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS!!!!!!! We, the people, should push until we get a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. This is the only way to stop the abuse of power by all politicians. If your elected official won't support it, vote them out! |
Robert,I would add to this TERM LIMITS |
Where have we heard these before? Back in 1994! |
refresh my memory please Robert, who was after term limits in 94, what stopped them?? was it politicians?? |
Contract With America
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
What can I say...power corrupts! Same as this last time Republicans gained power...or overthrew the government as Democrats like to say.
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RobertMac
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Robert Mac,
How can we push our politicians to do anything we want? I personally contact my reperesentatives all the time and I vote every election (county, school board, state, federal), but can we really make a difference when more than half of the country does not vote? It boils down to special interest vs. special interest. It literally makes me sick to my stomach during the Presidential elections to see that so few people vote.
OOps, this is turning into a rant. I want to do everything I can as a citizen (at the bottom of the totem pole) to make my voice heard, but is it enough? |
The only way is for more citizens to become like you and elect leaders that are statesmen...tall order. I think the majority of non-voters are conservatives that have given up on both parties. I vote for the less of two evils, but that is quickly becoming a non-option!
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TexasBred
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| when people finally realize that a good chunk of the american prosperity enjoyed for the last thirty years was on borrowed money maybe you'll get a better perspective on what's been happening. politicians of every stripe are to blame. |
amen don, so how do we go about changing that?? |
You are right on, Don!!!!
As for going about changing it...at some point, probably not in our lifetimes, or at least in my lifetime, the system will self correct...which would be the only peaceful alternative.
Folks, do you really want armed revolution? That's insane...yet I've read a lot of insanity here lately...and more's the pity!
Alice |
I sure wouldn't want to be unarmed in a revolution and if government doesn't slow down the revolution will happen. Yes the gov't has been spending more than it took in for a long time but it doesn't mean it has to continue totally oblivious to the inevitable.
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backhoeboogie
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Citizens have been paying taxes to cover the expenditures of their leaders/gov't since civilization as we know it was established.
You all act like this is the first you've heard of it? |
So you think Obama and Pelosi should spend another 100 trillion or so?
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