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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
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but why should we take a bullet for producers from any other country?


But it's OK for us to take one. Rolling Eyes


Kato, your whole industry depends on a couple of pirates buying your product to market to one other country however they desire. That is a terrible business plan. That bullet that you're taking is the result of playing Russian Roulette.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMR, "R-Calf's tactics just gave the multinational a bigger stick. Didn't hurt them at all."

If R-CALF's actions aren't hurting them, why are they spending so much on lawyers and goverment bribes to combat R-CALF? I"ll argue that the "bigger stick" comes from those that are fighting COOL and private BSE testing - and both of our goverments.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the biggest pirate got that way by coming in to this country and using all that money they have in their bottomless pit of a bank account to systematically out bid every one of our Canadian packers until they all went out of business except the one who survived by picking up the scraps like a good scavenger should.

In our province alone, in the pre-Cargill days, we had Swifts, Canada Packers, Burns (two plants), and a number of medium sized operations. They processed many thousands of head a day, and they are all gone. All outbid and driven out of business.

And where did that big pirate come from? Gee, that would be from the good old U.S.A.

But of course, it's all our fault.............. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

That's what happens when people who have integrity make the mistake of thinking they are dealing with others who have integrity when they sign trade deals. Honest people expect others to be honest as well, when in reality they are not, which is the biggest lesson we learned from all this.

It sure looks like America's word on a trade deal isn't worth the paper it's written on. Lesson learned. Lesson remembered.

Doesn't that just make you feel proud?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato, "And where did that big pirate come from? Gee, that would be from the good old U.S.A. But of course, it's all our fault.............."

Well, who's fault was that? R-CALF's? US producer's? US goverment's?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alberta invited them. And the reason for that was.... The U.S. government pretended to sign a trade agreement that they "said" they would honour, that would provide a market for this expanded beef production. After all, when we signed on with you we gave up a lot of grain programs, which made exporting grain from this country a money loser, and we needed some way to survive. Too bad we had to believe your country was being honest.

And RCALF aided and abetted by doing whatever they could to keep the border closed.

The US producer was not our problem on an individual basis, just as we are not your problem on an individual basis.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
And the biggest pirate got that way by coming in to this country and using all that money they have in their bottomless pit of a bank account to systematically out bid every one of our Canadian packers until they all went out of business...

And who sold the cattle to these "biggest pirates"?
Producers that are willing to remain price takers are the global packer's best allies!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobertMac wrote:
Kato wrote:
And the biggest pirate got that way by coming in to this country and using all that money they have in their bottomless pit of a bank account to systematically out bid every one of our Canadian packers until they all went out of business...

And who sold the cattle to these "biggest pirates"?
Producers that are willing to remain price takers are the global packer's best allies!


When you take your cattle to an auction, do you say who may or may not bid on your cattle? I kinda doubt it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

burnt wrote:
RobertMac wrote:
Kato wrote:
And the biggest pirate got that way by coming in to this country and using all that money they have in their bottomless pit of a bank account to systematically out bid every one of our Canadian packers until they all went out of business...

And who sold the cattle to these "biggest pirates"?
Producers that are willing to remain price takers are the global packer's best allies!


When you take your cattle to an auction, do you say who may or may not bid on your cattle? I kinda doubt it.

I didn't know that in Canada you are required to sell at auction.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
Alberta invited them. And the reason for that was.... The U.S. government pretended to sign a trade agreement that they "said" they would honour, that would provide a market for this expanded beef production. After all, when we signed on with you we gave up a lot of grain programs, which made exporting grain from this country a money loser, and we needed some way to survive. Too bad we had to believe your country was being honest.

And RCALF aided and abetted by doing whatever they could to keep the border closed.

The US producer was not our problem on an individual basis, just as we are not your problem on an individual basis.


What did a trade agreement have to do with the demise of the Canadian packing industry? I would argue that your own goverment's actions and/or inactions is where the blame lies. The never should of allowed the takeover and concentration of your packing industry.

R-CALF actions would of helped you had they succeeded in getting private BSE testing through. That would of opened up markets in Asia that we lost.

R-CALF pushing COOL could also be your saving grace if you use it. Do you have a better plan to stem the tide of the South American beef that that the multi-nationals want to flood our countries with? What are you going to do when you're offered half of what you need for your cattle because the packer can get all the S. A. beef they want and the consumer has no preference other than "Beef". What are you going to do or wish you had done?

I've said time and time and again that R-CALF doesn't regard Canadian producers as the problem or the enemy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
Alberta invited them. And the reason for that was.... The U.S. government pretended to sign a trade agreement that they "said" they would honour, that would provide a market for this expanded beef production. After all, when we signed on with you we gave up a lot of grain programs, which made exporting grain from this country a money loser, and we needed some way to survive. Too bad we had to believe your country was being honest.

And RCALF aided and abetted by doing whatever they could to keep the border closed.

The US producer was not our problem on an individual basis, just as we are not your problem on an individual basis.


Tyson knew there was a bse "taint" on Canadian cattle and they also knew that they could use that "taint" to buy cattle on the cheap and then sell them undiscounted in the U.S. We had politicians who let them do it on both sides of the border and even had a Texas A&M University prof. go an make up an economic analysis that totally missed the question.

That captive supply became more captive with the cow market almost vanishing and Tyson used it to milk profits out of the Canadian producers at the expense of the market as a whole but especially the Canadians who were stuck with bse "tainted" meat (tainted in the meaning of the scare, not necessarily all meat having bse).

You are right that there is a lot of dishonesty here, Kato, but it was business as usual for these global companies and their hired crooks.

Tex


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Getting Tougher Reply with quote

Other Country's and other MEATS COOL laws

UK: Pig industry endorses EU labelling rules 15 Jan 2010
Proposed changes to European food labelling rules are welcomed by English pig producers.

The new rules will require manufacturers that use the country of origin labels on meat products to indicate where the animal was born, reared and slaughtered – not just where it was processed.

BPEX, representing English pig farmers, fully supports the EU legislative proposals which will build on the significant progress already made in the UK pig meat supply chain. A new voluntary code of practice on the labelling of pork and pork products is now being drawn up following agreement by pig producers, processors, major food retailers, and the food service sector.


BPEX director Mick Sloyan said: "English pig farmers have long fought for clearer labelling to provide unambiguous consumer choice and confidence. The voluntary code and forthcoming EU rules will reassure consumers that, when they buy Quality Standard Mark pork and pork products, they will have been produced to very high welfare and exacting quality standards. It clearly differentiates QSM pig producers from other pork producing countries."


Displaying origin
When introduced, companies who have signed up to the voluntary code will clearly display the origin of the pork on the front of the packet. Meanwhile, a declaration that the meat is, for example, ‘British’, will mean that the animal was born, reared, and slaughtered in Britain.


There will also be an end to ambiguous terms such as ‘Produced in the UK’ as the origin of the meat will be declared.


The voluntary agreement was reached by members of the Pig Meat Supply Chain Task Force which was brought together by Defra, chaired by Food and Farming Minister Jim Fitzpatrick, who chairs the Task Force.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I repeat the question; What are you going to do or wish you had done?
Need more time to come up with an answer?


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