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Northern Rancher Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 12235 Location: saskatchewan
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The best cross in the cattle business is a Hereford cow and an oil well lol.
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Broke Cowboy Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 877 Location: With The Herd
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andybob Rancher

Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1023 Location: Laverstoke England.
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Not quite sure what the objective of the thread is andybob - if it's just to name breeds and list the qualities their breed association claim what does it achieve? If we're not allowed to make critical comments or relay experiences we've had with particular breeds what do we talk about? |
More a case of looking at breeds not in general use, and discussing their merits, and possible benefits and disadvantages in our breeding programs, some "out of the box" thinking perhaps?
Eg would the North Devon work to produce a good F1 with the Galloway to reduce the amount of hair in warmer weather, as this seems to be a major complaint with an otherwise exelent cold weather breed.
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Northern Rancher Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 12235 Location: saskatchewan
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| My neighbor cliped his yearlings one year for shits anfd giggles got paid about $50 an hour when they sold.
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Faster horses Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 18920 Location: SE MT
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Charolais and Simmental cattle have a lot to offer, IMO in a cross
breeding program. Both breeds have higher mineral requirements
because they have a slower metabolism.
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Shortgrass Rancher

Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 1882 Location: Eastern Colorado
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you want to care for them, and what problems can you deal with well? What does your climate and facilities require? I like a lot of cattle, but I like quality in whatever breed I deal with. I acknowlege that a lot of traders have made more money dealing with scrubs than I do trying to have the best quality. I believe that when cattle are good, any thing will make ya a buck, but when things get tight quality will be required to get two people interested enough to compete on bids. Fellas that survive over a period of years generally have quality. Lots of people have a great program with a variety of breeds, but quality is the common denominator.
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Grassfarmer Rancher

Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 1002 Location: Central Alberta, Canada
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PureCountry Rancher

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 2266 Location: E./central Alberta, Battle River hills
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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The first Galloway sired calves we sold were 1/2bloods out of Angus cross cows and they made us money, topped the sale that day in fact. They had been on swath-grazing with their mommas right up until the day before they sold. The buyers thought they'd been weaned and on feed they lloked so shiny and full. Part of that was the winter and feed we had, part was the genetics, but it worked.
Purebred Galloways always get discounted for the reason Soap mentioned - hair collects tag. Maurice Boney told me he made alot of money on Galloways over the years until he tried sending them to feedlots in the mid-west where mud was a problem. He said they quickly acquired the nickname "Mudballs" b/c that's all that was left of them. They'd get so covered in tag they wouldn't even be gaining weight.
The cross with the North Devon is intriguing for sure. Knock some hair off, add more milk I would think, and compliment each other very well for efficiency and grass-finishing. Some of the best looking critters on our place right now are Galloway x Brown Swiss from our milk cow. We have a couple daughters that are 1/2 bloods, one 3/4 daughter and 1 3/4 Galloway son. He's really something to see. I'm quite tempted to breed him to a bunch of heifers.
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Liveoak Member

Joined: 25 Aug 2009 Posts: 574 Location: Texas
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RobertMac Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 3725 Location: Mississippi, USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes we need to take into consideration that it is not always what we want, but what the buyers are seeking and are willing to pay a premium to acquire. |
Wouldn't that be good, no-ear, black-hide calves...regardless of breed?
Why else would almost every breed try to turn their cattle black?
Maybe a better question considering all the cross-breeding and out-crossing...what exactly is a "breed"?
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Soapweed Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 11627 Location: northern Nebraska Sandhills
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andybob Rancher

Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1023 Location: Laverstoke England.
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