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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best cross in the cattle business is a Hereford cow and an oil well lol.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soapweed wrote:
Two bits says it will turn into an arguement and feelings will be hurt. Wink Smile


Agreed - I would probably stay out of this one.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grassfarmer wrote:
Not quite sure what the objective of the thread is andybob - if it's just to name breeds and list the qualities their breed association claim what does it achieve? If we're not allowed to make critical comments or relay experiences we've had with particular breeds what do we talk about?


More a case of looking at breeds not in general use, and discussing their merits, and possible benefits and disadvantages in our breeding programs, some "out of the box" thinking perhaps?
Eg would the North Devon work to produce a good F1 with the Galloway to reduce the amount of hair in warmer weather, as this seems to be a major complaint with an otherwise exelent cold weather breed.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My neighbor cliped his yearlings one year for shits anfd giggles got paid about $50 an hour when they sold.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charolais and Simmental cattle have a lot to offer, IMO in a cross
breeding program. Both breeds have higher mineral requirements
because they have a slower metabolism.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you want to care for them, and what problems can you deal with well? What does your climate and facilities require? I like a lot of cattle, but I like quality in whatever breed I deal with. I acknowlege that a lot of traders have made more money dealing with scrubs than I do trying to have the best quality. I believe that when cattle are good, any thing will make ya a buck, but when things get tight quality will be required to get two people interested enough to compete on bids. Fellas that survive over a period of years generally have quality. Lots of people have a great program with a variety of breeds, but quality is the common denominator.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK andybob I'll throw this one in as out of the box thinking Very Happy

I quote a breeder;

"We are producing Whitebred Shorthorn cross Highland cows at 440kgs with a three-month-old calf weighing 140kgs. By the time it is weaned the calf is over three-quarters of the mother's own bodyweight which in anyone's book is highly efficient production."

Hard to argue with that for performance. Check out http://www.whitebredshorthorn.co.uk

The difficulty in my opinion would be sourcing enough good quality WB Shorthorn and Highland cattle but like any breed I guess there are good ones out there.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first Galloway sired calves we sold were 1/2bloods out of Angus cross cows and they made us money, topped the sale that day in fact. They had been on swath-grazing with their mommas right up until the day before they sold. The buyers thought they'd been weaned and on feed they lloked so shiny and full. Part of that was the winter and feed we had, part was the genetics, but it worked.

Purebred Galloways always get discounted for the reason Soap mentioned - hair collects tag. Maurice Boney told me he made alot of money on Galloways over the years until he tried sending them to feedlots in the mid-west where mud was a problem. He said they quickly acquired the nickname "Mudballs" b/c that's all that was left of them. They'd get so covered in tag they wouldn't even be gaining weight.

The cross with the North Devon is intriguing for sure. Knock some hair off, add more milk I would think, and compliment each other very well for efficiency and grass-finishing. Some of the best looking critters on our place right now are Galloway x Brown Swiss from our milk cow. We have a couple daughters that are 1/2 bloods, one 3/4 daughter and 1 3/4 Galloway son. He's really something to see. I'm quite tempted to breed him to a bunch of heifers.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about Brahma?




Or how about a Brangus - on the left or the Angus -on the right? Too much ear? Cross them and get the one in the middle. Smile



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soapweed wrote:
Sometimes we need to take into consideration that it is not always what we want, but what the buyers are seeking and are willing to pay a premium to acquire.

Wouldn't that be good, no-ear, black-hide calves...regardless of breed?
Why else would almost every breed try to turn their cattle black?
Maybe a better question considering all the cross-breeding and out-crossing...what exactly is a "breed"?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobertMac wrote:
Soapweed wrote:
Sometimes we need to take into consideration that it is not always what we want, but what the buyers are seeking and are willing to pay a premium to acquire.

Wouldn't that be good, no-ear, black-hide calves...regardless of breed?
Why else would almost every breed try to turn their cattle black?
Maybe a better question considering all the cross-breeding and out-crossing...what exactly is a "breed"?


If the shoe fits, we'd better shine it. Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grassfarmer wrote:
OK andybob I'll throw this one in as out of the box thinking Very Happy

I quote a breeder;

"We are producing Whitebred Shorthorn cross Highland cows at 440kgs with a three-month-old calf weighing 140kgs. By the time it is weaned the calf is over three-quarters of the mother's own bodyweight which in anyone's book is highly efficient production."

Hard to argue with that for performance. Check out http://www.whitebredshorthorn.co.uk

The difficulty in my opinion would be sourcing enough good quality WB Shorthorn and Highland cattle but like any breed I guess there are good ones out there.


I have always supported the concept of using cattle adapted to the local environment, then using an F1 either as a terminal in itself, or as a damline to produce the required terminal, I used to breed an F1 line for a large ranch so they could produce a consistant quality terminal for their feedlot/Abattoir business. More producers need to think in terms of networking to achieve the optimum production possible.


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