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sattre6 Member

Joined: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: Brisket Disease |
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| I run cattle in Iowa, Brisket disease is relativley unkown here. If I purchase heifers with high PAP scores from out west, and bring them back to Iowa, will they suitable for breeding or feeding at this altitude (3000 feet) The cattle I am looking at are young heifers tested at altitude and culled for high PAP scores (52 or higher). I don't see the diseease as an issue, but rather the level of degradation that may already have occurred that may effect their future performance. Thanks for your input.
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leanin' H Rancher

Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 4095 Location: Western Utah Desert
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| First off.... Welcome to Ranchers! It's my understanding that brisket disease only effects cattle that run Over 7000 feet. If they test under a 41 as a yearling or from 41-45 as over 16 months they would be fine at higher altitudes. As far as 52 and higher scores, I am not sure as we run at over 7000 and stay under 41 on PAP scores. Good luck.
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Triangle Bar Member

Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 901 Location: S. Central Colorado
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Cattle can be susceptible at elevations of 5,000 ft. or greater — with 7,500 ft. and greater becoming the most critical elevations. I would think at your elevation they would be fine. PAP testing tries to identify the animals that would be most affected by higher elevations and be pre-disposed to pulmonary hypertension and resulting congestive heart failure. I suppose you could conclude that the older these high testing critters get the more health problems they could potentially develop from their predisposition to hypertension, even at your elevation.
My place sits at 7800 ft & summer up to 9500 ft or so. Welcome to Ranchers.
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Haytrucker Member

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 357
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| FWIW, we are in 4000 feet above country, and "brisket" is nearly unheard of here. I could hear from the exception on this, but I would think your altitude should be almost free from those problems.
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VLS_GUY Member

Joined: 20 Dec 2009 Posts: 72 Location: Camarillo, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| I am curious about running cattle above 7,000 Ft in altitude. Beyond Brisket Disease what are the other problems you worry about? The cattle I have seen over 7,000 ft. seemed to have a sunburn problem particularly when snow was on the ground. How does altitude impact range productivity and growth rates?
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sattre6 Member

Joined: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the quick replies, whish I had seen this site a while ago. Best of luck to all of you!
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Doug Thorson Member

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 584 Location: western SD
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: |
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When he gets back from Cooper's bull sale, Nedjr is the guy to talk to. His ranch is over 8000 ft and he does a lot of PAP testing for altitudes, but he also sends cattle to Kansas.
My best guess is that you would be fine with the young cattle, but I don't know.
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Northern Rancher Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 12235 Location: saskatchewan
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| i've nevrer heard of anybody testing bulls for it up here-iwonder why there'some high country in b'c and alberta.
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leanin' H Rancher

Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 4095 Location: Western Utah Desert
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| I am curious about running cattle above 7,000 Ft in altitude. Beyond Brisket Disease what are the other problems you worry about? The cattle I have seen over 7,000 ft. seemed to have a sunburn problem particularly when snow was on the ground. How does altitude impact range productivity and growth rates? |
It changes dramatically. Our range goes from foothills of 5500 to over 9500. At spring turn out the foothills will be thriving while snow still covers the high pastures. Cold spring weather really slows down the grass up high but it stays palatable much later after the low pastures go to seed and harden. Our cattle browse a lot too on available forage when the grass is behind due to cold or drought. Plus, locoweed and larkspur can be deadly when the conditions are right. Spent many a day trying to save loco cattle from killing themselves.
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Ned Jr. Member

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 286 Location: Colorado
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jodywy Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 2518 Location: western Wyoming easternIdaho... Star Valley
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| We run from around 5600 feet to over 9,000. Neighbor that raises Reg Herefords and Black angus had to ship a black hiefer back to Logan Ut to his other place here a few years ago the change of a 1000 feet or so was enough to cause problems. that same year saw a few black cows and calves on the forest and even some on the river bottom pasture all swelled up.
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Doug Thorson Member

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 584 Location: western SD
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Doug, with all the calves I'm having and a storm that blew in I decided to do the right thing and stay home to take care of things. No Cooper sale for me this year. |
@$#%#&$)$#+# weather kept me home also. Here I was just about ready to start a list of questions to quiz you about. Sounds like they might be able to hang in there and have another sale next year though.
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