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Dylan Biggs Rancher

Joined: 21 Apr 2008 Posts: 1444 Location: hanna,alberta
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| BlackCattleRancher wrote: |
| Maybe it won't work. My cows have pretty good disposition, I can walk up to the and calves are usually pretty docile. I'm not planning to chase the calf down while twirling a rope. Thinking I'd park near the herd, close to the calf I want them calmly wait for opportunity and throw the rope. I know a 300 lb. can be a grizzly to wrestle without a horse pulling back but this is a few times a summer thing, not a 10 times a day occurrence. |
Your non chasing calm approach is the best one in my opinion. With this approach even if you miss the first your chances of a second shot are much improved. If you go out when the herd is bunched at the water or shade or salt it helps your chances also. The worst thing a guy can do is chase those calves to get them caught. Chances of scaring them is about 100% and cattle are more afraid of fear then they are of pain. The least stress the better. And if the calf is a heifer replacement prospect there is no point giving her an excuse to be wild cause if you ever have to work with her again to assist her calving in the future lets say you may forget the roping experience as a calf chances are she won't if she has had the daylight scared out of her.
Getting a calf caught with the rope is one thing, getting it restrained and treated can be something entirely different. Having it anchored to the quad will help but depending how it reacts to having a rope around its neck safety could definitely be an issue.
Walking the cow and calf to the corral is definitely safer and can be good training for any future handling jobs if the cow and calf are penned quietly.
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cowhunter Member

Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 494 Location: williston florida
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| I'd get a polly 45 ft ranch rope. That way, u can cut it a few times. Be careful and enjoy!
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burnt Rancher

Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 4249 Location: Mid-western Ontario
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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I'd just buy one of these http://www.telusplanet.net/public/medidart/whatis.html
I bought the bow, haven't had to use it yet. It can use larger capacities then dart guns, it has a little loop around the needle that pushes the dart out of the animal when it's done dispensing. |
Ben's suggestion is a good one. We had a mess of pink eye in the cows one summer and successfully and relatively unstressfully brought it under control with the crossbow type.
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gcreekrch Rancher

Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 8507 Location: west chilcotin bc
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Ben H wrote: |
I'd just buy one of these http://www.telusplanet.net/public/medidart/whatis.html
I bought the bow, haven't had to use it yet. It can use larger capacities then dart guns, it has a little loop around the needle that pushes the dart out of the animal when it's done dispensing. |
Ben's suggestion is a good one. We had a mess of pink eye in the cows one summer and successfully and relatively unstressfully brought it under control with the crossbow type. |
Were you injecting in the neck?
As our cattle are accustomed to the 4-wheeler, I can putt down the feed row and catch calves that need treating with a hook far more calmly than with a rope. They rarely even make a sound to stir up the rest of the cattle. Every calf I've roped makes quite a fuss if you are catching them around the neck, regardless of how quiet you are in roping them.
We rarely have pinkeye in the summer here and if a calf gets sick enough to doctor we rarely find them until it's too late.
Bigger cattle make a trip to the squeeze.
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Ben H Rancher

Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 1729 Location: Gorham, ME
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| I would have bought the crossbow, but I was pinching pennies. They have both a IM and SQ needle. The IM has the hole in the end, the SQ in the side. It is a pretty big needle though.
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burnt Rancher

Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 4249 Location: Mid-western Ontario
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Yes, in the neck. There were no facilities where the cows were pasturing and the bow and dart made the job easier than I had ever imagined possible.
Although it was summer, the cows were accustomed to me coming to the field to put a bale in the feeder, so we could get in and move amongst them.
The needle of the dart embedded itself in the neck and popped out when it was empty.
I do not own the bow, the neighbor supplied it and the expertise to run it!! A good neighbor, for sure.
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HAY MAKER Rancher

Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 8127 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: |
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If you dont have a set of pens...............buy you some portable ones,you will fare better and so will the calves.
good luck
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twister Member

Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 21 Location: MidMo
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: Maybe a better option: |
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I would have to agree with the posts stating this is an accident waiting to happen. Your calm dosile cattle potentially could blow up as soon as you get a rope around their neck. Then if they run off perpindicular to your ATV, over the ATV goes. Also, if the calf gets slack in the rope and starts running around your motor scooter, then you end up getting tripped up and hurt.
We had a lot of cats around our place when I was young. All of them nice and dosile, would come up and lay on your lap as you pet them. But one time I got the bright idea to practice my roping skills on a few, so I tied a honda in each end of a clothes line coard. Wound up and caught one. It started jumping, hissing, running all over. So I took the other end and caught another one(don't really know why I thought that was a good idea). Believe it or not, but it did the same exact thing. So now I have two cats on each end of my rope, bouncing, jumping, hissing... I am now wondering how I get the cats off the rope when I hear my Dad yell "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!" My response was to let go of the rope, which set the cats somewhat free. One decides to run away and jumps a wood fence. Now we have a cat on both sides of the fence, seesawing back and forth. Luckily everyone escaped without too many injuries. But it goes to prove a lap cat on the end of a rope is no longer a lap cat.
Here is what I would suggest, find some local boys that are part of a roping club or do team roping or tie down roping. Any of them would probably enjoy the free practice and the chance to work their horses on fresh cattle. The younger they are, the more eager they will be to do it for free, but watch out and make sure they have a head on their shoulders and aren't going to run your cattle through a fence or put undo stress on them. Once they catch them, you roll up on your ATV, throw the calf, doctor it, and go onto the next one.
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Northern Rancher Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 12235 Location: saskatchewan
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Now a bunch of team ropers in a pasture full of fresh yearlings should be fun to watch!!!I'd go with a couple of handy ranch kids they've most times faced the consequences of handling cattle the wrong way.
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scout Member

Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 197 Location: southeast Iowa
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The reason I got that bow, was that you can treat an animal without stressing them. They aren't supposed to associate the "prick" from you because you aren't directly handling them. One of my focuses is low stress handling. It's hard not to stress animals when you chase them with an ATV. |
I agree with Ben H a fellow close to here that runs some stockers hired me to do some day work treaten some pinkeye cases bought one of the bows. the calves weren't use to a horse and it was time consuming he bought the bow and had good luck with it he could treat the calves twice as fast as i could the only problem was sometimes it was hell finding the arrow.
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Faster horses Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 18920 Location: SE MT
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