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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Abscess Reply with quote

A girl friend has a horse with an Abscess and is having trouble getting it GONE

Surfing I found these: Looks good to me! Anyone tried them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xak_wbQqJJQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXBWbH2H2q8&NR=1


I think most people use DMSO wrong - "It's A Carrier"

I am thinking that one could mix DMSO with the meds she is using and put that in a boot!

So I also found this:

Medicine
Use of DMSO in medicine dates from around 1963, when a University of Oregon Medical School team, headed by Stanley Jacob, discovered it could penetrate the skin and other membranes without damaging them and could carry other compounds into a biological system. In medicine, DMSO is predominantly used as a topical analgesic, a vehicle for topical application of pharmaceuticals, as an anti-inflammatory, and an antioxidant.[citation needed]. Because DMSO increases the rate of absorption of some compounds through organic tissues including skin, it can be used as a drug delivery system. It is frequently compounded with antifungal medications, enabling them to penetrate not just skin but also toe and fingernails. (Hooves?)

Veterinary medicine
DMSO is commonly used in veterinary medicine as a liniment for horses, alone or in combination with other ingredients. In the latter case, often, the intended function of the DMSO is as a solvent, to carry the other ingredients across the skin. Also in horses, DMSO is used intravenously, again alone or in combination with other drugs. It is used alone for the treatment of increased intracranial pressure and/or cerebral edema in horses.

Any other Ideas - I am in California and the Horse is in Washington State - the Vet dies not seam to be doing it much good


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your not ever supposed to use DMSO on an open wound. If the abscess has blown....I wouldn't use it. Wouldn't use it for an abscess even if it wasn't.

Hot water and epsom salt along with iodine....soak twice a day until it blows out. Then I'd prolly continue to soak it at least once a day with the same solution for several days followin.

Apple Cider Vinegar in the feed 1/2 cup a day....will really help get it cleared up from the inside, so I've been told.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I understand the abscess is between the hoof wall and the Frog about 1/2 way up and is not open to the out side - - That is why I'm thinking DMSO - to carry meds through the Hoof Wall


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had a horse with an abcess similar to that...and we mixed
bentonite with water in a leg cut off a pair of jeans. Put that on his foot
(the pant leg goes up quite aways and it seemed like we tied
it on the leg somehow) and it really pulls on the abcess.
The horse we used it on, actually picked his leg up and pulled it
back, he could feel it drawing on his leg. Sure worked for us.

Good luck!

And apple cider vinegar to every horse every day is a good idea!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMSO is some potent stuff. A friend with severe arthritis claimed it was the only thing that gave him pain relief - until he died at age 46 from pancreatic cancer.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I understanding correctly that this abscess is up inside the hoof? Was it from a puncture wound? Has the vet gotten in there and opened it up? That's what ours does when we have a bull develop a foot abscess.

Everything I ever learned about an abscess is that there is only one real treatment. That's to lance it and drain it. An abscess is basically a walled off infection, and antibiotics injected into the animal won't touch it. If you delay lancing it too long, the pus inside will get thicker and thicker, and eventually become a big hard lump that will not go away. Ever.

DMSO may help, but the jury's still out on that for me. We use it with liquamycin for bad footrot and myco infected joints, but haven't used it on an abscess. We also only use it once on any animal. This stuff is strong, and can actually cause cataracts, so don't ever ever get it on your hands. Always wear rubber gloves. It can travel right through latex gloves too, so that gives an indication of how powerful it is. I can see how Cowpuncher's friend got into trouble with it. It's not meant for long term use.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowpuncher wrote:
DMSO is some potent stuff. A friend with severe arthritis claimed it was the only thing that gave him pain relief - until he died at age 46 from pancreatic cancer.


30 years ago after one of my knee wrecks and surgeries- I got a blood clot in my leg which caused some internal muscle damage...The Docs gave me DMSO to use to get the topical applied medication deep into the muscle where it was needed...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it can be made right please visit some vet


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrick076 wrote:
I think it can be made right please visit some vet


Now that we've heard from the City Dude (Animal Rights Person)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Equi-Pak works awesome, I have also seen a farrier use dental epoxy. I would use a hoof knife to drain the abscess. There should be a soft spot in the sole below the abscess. I wouldn't use DMSO either. I would probably by a medicine boot and line the bottom with gauze then soak it in iodine and put it on after you drain the abscess. No matter what you use it is going to take quite a little time to heal.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abcess Treatment
1 cup Ice Tight (or other mud type poultice)
1/3 cup Icthamol
2 TBS Epsom Salts
1 tsp Alum (pickling spice)

Mix in well ventilated area. Slap on hoof, put newborn diaper (or some other type of cotton padding) and duct tape the crap out of it. Change every 24 hours.

The longest I've ever seen it work is 48 hours. Including the deep abcesses.

You want to use the cotton because as this stuff pulls the abcess out, the cotton will soak it up.


This was recommended by a friend...swears by it.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should be somewhat of an expert about DMSO. A couple of horror stories first-had the duty to take a guy to the local hospital who used it on dogs with his bare hands/swelled up about 3 x normal in a couple of hours-good news was that they were back to normal in 6 hours.

This stuff if not to be fooled with but is a terrific healing tool if used properly. DO NOT put it on an open cut/wound and I would think that would include an hoof of this type.

I used it first washing the area with a good soap and WARM water (make sure the hair and skin is well rinsed), apply whatever topical you choose but had good luck with absorbine jr-then take a natural bristle paint brush and paint the dmso on the area that you want to drive the topical to(such as a muscle). If you really are in a pinch,wrap the area with saran wrap or a heavy cloth for about 5 min. Guarantee the muscle will not hurt the next day!

Horror story-DMSO will drive whatever to whereever! Like straight to the bone-or the heart! A word of caution-if you use this stuff often, you're going to start to think you smell like garlic! Now if you're racing greyhounds-or horses-... use a little baby powder and it'll be between you and the animal! Still wouldn't use it on a hoof.


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