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leanin' H
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hereford76 wrote:
so if they scanned on Feb 14th (valentine's day) and today he weighed 1050 and lets say instead of 3.70 PPD lets use 3.50 PPD for the messing around the last few days he went thru that would put him at roughly 945lbs scan day. He had an actual rea of 11.2 - so he would have a 1.185 REA/CWT at roughly 10 months of age.... i'd say he definitely has good muscle in him not to mention imf so he's got the carcass end covered well. if you adjust his rea out to a year of age that is roughly a 13.6 REA.

what was his scrotal measurement?


36 on the toolbox capacity!
I wasnt worried too much about carcass because i put more stock in the maternal side. I really like the cows they run. My cousin and friends have bought Yardley bulls for years. They breed cows, stay in good flesh and throw good calves. What more do ya need? Wink Thanks for the input everyone!
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Denny
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Grassfarmer wrote:
To stir the pot.
Nothing obvious to criticize the bull on but for an Angus bull to gain 3.7lbs a day on a hay and silage ration with no grain sounds pretty amazing to me - can corn silage (i'm assuming its corn silage) really deliver these types of gain? Remember this was going to a weaned calf not a green yearling with a lot of compensatory gain waiting to happen. Just curious.


At 10 ton to the acre the corn would be about 150 bushels so basically thats 8400#s of shell corn so each ton of silage consists of 840#s of shell corn so if they are eating 30#s of silage your looking at about 13#s of shell corn with my fuzzy math.Silage is'nt grain free by no means and if you don't have a good corn yield your silage yield will greatly decrease.Our silage is full of yellow nuggets this year.

And H I like your bull he looks solid and not sloppy fat.He looks like our bulls did out at the midland bull test the year we sent some.They went in at 600#s and came out at a 1000-1100# no top gainer but solid.
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Grassfarmer
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So if corn silage is so powerful a feed how much other grain to cattle in a finishing feedlot in the US get? This indicates a substantially higher rate of gain off the silage component of the diet than can be done up here with barley silage. This must have an implication on the relative cost of gain in feedlots in Canada versus the US. I realise that some Canadian feedlots use corn but probably the minority.
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Big Muddy rancher
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Grassfarmer wrote:
So if corn silage is so powerful a feed how much other grain to cattle in a finishing feedlot in the US get? This indicates a substantially higher rate of gain off the silage component of the diet than can be done up here with barley silage. This must have an implication on the relative cost of gain in feedlots in Canada versus the US. I realise that some Canadian feedlots use corn but probably the minority.


Some programs have used straight shelled corn to finish up.

Tender Lean was a name of one program if I remember right.
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leanin' H
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have put 650 pound steers on meadow grass including Garrison foxtail and had them put on between 2.5 and 3 PPD during summer and early fall. I'd think 3.7 on corn silage & hay would be a cakewalk. Sliage is labor intensive to put up and store correctly in pits. Hay & grain is much easier to feed therefore the reason some feedlots do it.
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