Agman

[Tommy]

SH...NCBA bases their decisions on truth and fact, not on lies like R-CALF does.

OK Scott, is it the truth and a fact that Canada is building packing plants in Canada and that they are not up to the same standards as ours? That is what Jay Truitt from the NCBA is saying.

What about the resolution from NCBA to not open the border to live cattle untill we have normalized trade with Japan, Korea, and Mexico?
If R-CALF had not went to court and the judge put a stay on the border opening, it would have opened up Monday. I do not believe we have normalized trade with Japan, Korea, and Mexico yet. So like Soapweed suggests, the NCBA maybe letting R-CALF take the hit on this.

[Sandhusker]

Even though I'm a R-CALF member, I don't see the R-CALF - NCBA relationship as "us against them". I just see more eye-to-eye with R-CALF and don't think everything NCBA does or says is wrong. However, I am very disappointed with NCBA supporting the USDA's handling of the Creekstone request. Where is the truth and fact there?

[~SH~]

T: "OK Scott, is it the truth and a fact that Canada is building packing plants in Canada and that they are not up to the same standards as ours? That is what Jay Truitt from the NCBA is saying."

From what standpoint Tommy? How can I possibly answer that without knowing exactly what "standards" Jay is referring to?


T: "What about the resolution from NCBA to not open the border to live cattle untill we have normalized trade with Japan, Korea, and Mexico?"

What about it???

NCBA wants USDA to do everything they can to resume normal trade when they open the border to Canada. Unlike R-CULT, they realize the value of our export markets.

I did not interpret that directive as NCBA not supporting trade UNTIL WE OPENED THOSE MARKETS because we are not going to accomplish that until we take the first step.

How the heck can we tell Japan that our UTM beef is safe, AFTER HAVING A POSITIVE BSE ANIMAL WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES THAT PROMPTED JAPAN TO BAN OUR EXPORTS, when we are unwilling to accept Canadian UTM cattle???

You must think the Japanese are complete idiots???


T: "If R-CALF had not went to court and the judge put a stay on the border opening, it would have opened up Monday."

From a food safety standpoint, there is no reason the border shouldn't open. The bigger picture is why would Japan resume trade with us WHEN WE ARE TELLING THE WORLD THAT UTM CATTLE ARE UNSAFE DESPITE SRM REMOVAL, DESPITE INCREASED BSE SURVEILANCE, DESPITE THE RUMINANT FEED BAN?????


Tommy, you tell me how you can support R-CALF's lie about contaminated Canadian beef. YOU CAN'T!!!!

NOBODY CAN because it's a damn lie! Par for R-CULT's deceptive pathetic ways!

[Tommy]

T: "What about the resolution from NCBA to not open the border to live cattle untill we have normalized trade with Japan, Korea, and Mexico?"

SH...What about it???

NCBA wants USDA to do everything they can to resume normal trade when they open the border to Canada. Unlike R-CULT, they realize the value of our export markets.

I did not interpret that directive as NCBA not supporting trade UNTIL WE OPENED THOSE MARKETS because we are not going to accomplish that until we take the first step.

How the heck can we tell Japan that our UTM beef is safe, AFTER HAVING A POSITIVE BSE ANIMAL WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES THAT PROMPTED JAPAN TO BAN OUR EXPORTS, when we are unwilling to accept Canadian UTM cattle???

You must think the Japanese are complete idiots???

Quote...NCBA will to work to resolve a list of conditions before trade is resumed. These include:

11...The Administration must reach an agreement to re-establish beef and beef byproduct trade with Japan, South Korea and Mexico, and apply economic sanctions if necessary.

Scott keep reading that untill you get it. Before trade is resumed...The Administration MUST reach an agreement....

Do we have that agreement already Scott??

[~SH~]

I do not agree with the NCBA directive that ties the opening of the Canadian border to our export markets because we cannot expect our export markets to take our beef if we are unwilling to take Canadian cattle.

We have to make the first move and honor our free trade agreement with Canada, not lie about the safety of their beef.

Nowhere did NCBA support keeping the border closed unconditionally as R-CALF did.

I disagree with two NCBA directives, that one and the one that prohibits the USDA grade stamp from imported product. That's stupid. How else do you mark that it has been inspected?????

Unlike most R-CALFers, I am not a "head nodder" to my chosen organization.


~SH~

[Tam]

I see that SH supports the NCBA and he has a right to but I also see him voicing his differing oppinion to what the NCBA is doing. But very few times have I seen you R-CALFer voicing anything but what the R-CALF word is, even if that means justifing out and out lies Tommy. Some have even defend them by saying what ever it takes to hurt the Canadians the lies are worth it,

Do you like defending the R-CALF lies that they are using to keep the border closed?

Do you not see that they are setting you up for a fall of a lifetime?

Will you still be out there fund raising and defending their statement when/if BSE is found?

What do you tell people about the safety of Canadian beef that is already living in the US that you can't find?

Did you forget and hope that everyone else will also forget about these animals?

What do you think that Japan thinks about your court case?

What do you think they think about what the US Senate did?

Do you honestly believe your actions will have no negitive effect on your exports?

Do you honestly believe that these lies are not going to come back on you when/if BSE is found in the US?


Do you honestly believe this last stupid statement Bullard made about the increase in slaughter capacity in Canada is not a result of the border issue?

Come on Tommy think for yourself and answer the questions using your brain. Can a person belong to an organization and not support every dumb comment that comes out of their leaders mouth? And at what point do you say the leaders have crossed the line with their lies and I can't defend or support them?

[Mike]

Is Canada Safe From Mad Cow Disease?
Alberta actually imported a live cow with Mad Cow disease back in 1993. The Canadian government raced to destroy the "Mad" cow - along with more than 400 other cattle from the same herd - but some cattle slipped through the cracks. A report by the European Union's Scientific Committee noted that "eleven imported cattle that were found to be carrying a risk of being infected [with BSE] entered the Canadian food or feed chain".(15) Furthermore, it was reported in the Globe and Mail that CFIA officials were sent "scrambling" to track down 20 cattle imported from Japan, which had recently been diagnosed with its first case of Mad Cow disease. Once again, Ottawa failed to track down all the animals. It was later realized that four of the suspect cattle had already been slaughtered and may have entered the Canadian food supply.(16)

In other words, cattle potentially carrying Mad Cow disease have already been processed into feed and fed to Canadian cattle. However, according to Dr. Claude Lavigne, an official from Canada's Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), Mad Cow disease is "a European Disease and that's about it."(17) Officials from the Geneva-based World Health Organisation (WHO) disagree. The WHO has concluded that Mad Cow disease is a "global disease" and "no country is immune."(1 In fact, Germany, France, Belgium and Italy had all pronounced they were "free" of Mad Cow disease. Mad Cow disease has now been documented in all those countries.(19)