Agman

[Mike]

"Mike, I am curious what information that you have to refute the statements made in the AMI fact sheet. Have a great day. agman"
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In the AMI fact sheet they make the statement:

"By law all cattle destined for human consumption must have SRM's removed"

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I can find nothing in the USDA rules about any SRM's having to be removed UTM. They state several times that OTM's do.
Is this a lie by AMI?

[Sandhusker]

Mike,
The AMI does not lie. They are sometimes mistaken or the information used against them is outdated. If the information is current and it APPEARS the AMI is lying, it is simply an isolted incident.

[Mike]

[rkaiser]

Is it true that one of the top members of AMI is Cargil foods? With this in mind, I would like to eliminate the science for a moment. Cargil has a major packing plant in Southern Alberta as we all know. One of two plants that control as mich as 80% of the annual Canadian Harvest. AMI has succeded in challenging the portion of the new rule calling for OTM boxed beef. Darn good thing. The Cargil plant would not be able to switch over to OTM cattle, but the Tyson plant has killed cows in the past and would have switched in a heartbeat should the rule to have stood. Tyson is a member of the NMA; am I wrong. Why did NMA not fight the OTM rule?

I will not beleive for a moment that any of this crap is about BSE. It is simply a struggle for power and money.

[Mike]

[rkaiser]

Thanks reader.

I wonder if Agman could help us out concerning NMA membership of Tyson.
Certainly Cargil is a member of AMI, and what I am saying is that I agree that AMI and maybe NMA as well are fighting to have live OTM cattle shipped to the USA.

But AMI also fought and won the blocking of OTM boxed beef for the time being. This move was to protect their interest in plants in the USA, and to stop Tyson from switching the Brooks plant in Alberta to killing cows and sending boxed OTM beef to the USA.

[Bull Burger]

Simple question: If Cargill and Tyson do not make money, do prices paid to cattle producers increase?

[rkaiser]

Answer to your question is very likely no BullBurger.

What has that got to do with mutinational companies jockeying for position in a battle that is supposed to be about science? All at the expense of the Canadian Cattle producer, and when the time is right, the American cattle producer as well.

I do not claim to be a packer blamer, bullburger, only a reality based observer who knows that producers on both sides of the border can talk all they want; the real business will be done by the government and the packers.

[Bull Burger]

It's like SH says, you don't lose control until you sell the cattle.

[rkaiser]

Can't argue with that one either Bullburger.

[rkaiser]

In fact Bullburger, Sh's statement could not be more true. In stead of Blaming Canadian Producers, Blaming American or Canadian politics, or Blaming the packers for legally taking whatever they can....... Producers of both countries could maintain control, and gain post slaughter benefits if they would wake the hell up, quit wasting time and money on all of the above, and start building their own slaughter plants.

http://www.beef-initiative-group.com/

Randy Kaiser - 0ne of half a dozen or so founding members.

[agman]

[quote="rkaiser"] Thanks reader.

I wonder if Agman could help us out concerning NMA membership of Tyson.


Response...I expect all the major packers are members of the AMI and NMA. Their degree of involvement in the NMA is likely determined by the extent of their involvement in cow slaughter plants. Have a great day.