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Beefman
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Sandhusker I am disappointed that a person in your profession would not show more knowledge for the impact this will have on your clients.
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I doubt if he has any of the Big Four Packers as his clients- and if things keep going the way they are they will be the feeding industry before long.... |
I bet he does have clients that sell into or feed in one of these programs. http://beefmagazine.com/markets/2010-alliance-yellow-pages/ Their interests are in check with these proposed rules.
You should check the link / listen to the audio that Bill mentioned. Statements such as "they're not looking for anything new" indicates lots of education needs to take place.
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Sandhusker
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Aren't those the same folks who were supporting the USDA's ban on private BSE testing? Didn't they also speak up against Pickett? |
Nice try. Read the proposed rule. |
Aren't they? I mean, shouldn't a person know the source of the opinions they are reading so that credibilty can be measured properly? |
Source? NCBA on one, and one of the most respected Angus producers in Neb on point 2. Now - your big chance to reveal how you know the 21 senators / Rcalf USCA bunch are not looking for anything new with the proposed GIPSA rule. |
NCBA? Heard enough. I've seen them on the wrong side of every major issue enough to know that listening to them on market issues is like listening to Pelosi on political issues.
It would of been nice to hear them argue their positions against R-CALF and the people in favor of laws. Our local radio tried to get everybody together for a debate to seperate the bull from the truth. He invited several of the main players in the industry; R-CALF, NCBA, AMI, Farm Bureau, etc..... and only got one taker - R-CALF. Bill Bullard was the ONLY invitee who said he would be there. Says quite a bit....
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Sandhusker
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What about customers who sold their cattle to Creekstone Farms? Those same people that you think I should listen to did all they could to deny Creekstone a niche market that could of been very profitable for them and my customers. I've seen their colors.
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Bill
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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What about customers who sold their cattle to Creekstone Farms? Those same people that you think I should listen to did all they could to deny Creekstone a niche market that could of been very profitable for them and my customers. I've seen their colors. |
What has Creekstone got to do with this? I supported Creekstone and their "quest to test". This is a totally different issue.
You would do well to read and listen to those who are bringing the facts to the table and then making up your own mind instead of blindly supporting something just because NCBA is opposing.
Do you honestly think there will be ANY grid based premiums if this goes forward?
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Beefman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Aren't those the same folks who were supporting the USDA's ban on private BSE testing? Didn't they also speak up against Pickett? |
Nice try. Read the proposed rule. |
Aren't they? I mean, shouldn't a person know the source of the opinions they are reading so that credibilty can be measured properly? |
Source? NCBA on one, and one of the most respected Angus producers in Neb on point 2. Now - your big chance to reveal how you know the 21 senators / Rcalf USCA bunch are not looking for anything new with the proposed GIPSA rule. |
NCBA? Heard enough. I've seen them on the wrong side of every major issue enough to know that listening to them on market issues is like listening to Pelosi on political issues.
It would of been nice to hear them argue their positions against R-CALF and the people in favor of laws. Our local radio tried to get everybody together for a debate to seperate the bull from the truth. He invited several of the main players in the industry; R-CALF, NCBA, AMI, Farm Bureau, etc..... and only got one taker - R-CALF. Bill Bullard was the ONLY invitee who said he would be there. Says quite a bit.... |
Fine - forget NCBA. Go read the rules for yourself, read up on and listen to Bill Rishel, then come back and explain how "they are not looking for anything new."
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Sandhusker
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: |
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What about customers who sold their cattle to Creekstone Farms? Those same people that you think I should listen to did all they could to deny Creekstone a niche market that could of been very profitable for them and my customers. I've seen their colors. |
What has Creekstone got to do with this? I supported Creekstone and their "quest to test". This is a totally different issue.
You would do well to read and listen to those who are bringing the facts to the table and then making up your own mind instead of blindly supporting something just because NCBA is opposing.
Do you honestly think there will be ANY grid based premiums if this goes forward? |
You're the one that wanted to inject my client's welfare into the discussion. I brought up Creekstone as an example to show where the guys that I'm supposed to be taking talking points from went completely against my client's best interests.... again.
What grid-based premium? It's been shown that producers, on average, received LESS on the grid.
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~SH~
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Sandhusker: "Bill Bullard was the ONLY invitee who said he would be there. Says quite a bit...." |
Bill Bullard was also advised by his lawyers that their injunction against USDA had a 99% chance of failure and yet he insisted on going forward.
Bill Bullard and R-CALF have lost every court case they have been involved in.
Bill Bullard was involved in a lawsuit against the original founder of R-CALF when he refused to support their radical agenda.
THAT SAYS A HECK OF A LOT MORE !!!!!!
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| Sandhusker: "What grid-based premium? It's been shown that producers, on average, received LESS on the grid." |
There it is. That unquestionable arrogance of R-CALF cow/calf men saving the cattle feeders from themselves.
PROVE IT!!
SHOW ME THE FACTS WHERE PRODUCERS RECEIVED LESS WITH GRID PRICING THAN THE CASH MARKET...
You ever fed cattle and sold cattle on the grid Sandhusker?? I have and when you sell the right kind of cattle on the right kind of grid, the premiums can be substantial.
USPB paid out $25 per head on carcass premiums in their first years. Care to refute that???
You don't have a clue what you are talking about here Sandhusker. Just a blind follower of an R-CALF effort to REGULATE SOMEONE ELSE.
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Sandhusker
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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If Bullard is the idiot you try to project him to be, those smart boys at NCBA should be able to put him in his place right quick. But.... I guess you have to have to stones to show up first, don't you?
Why wouldn't NCBA show up, SH? It's one thing to issue written talking points, it's another to stand up and defend/debate them against a foe in front of a live audience.
Maybe the travel was a problem? They couldn't figure out how to get the checkoff to pay for the 5 hour drive to Gordon?
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~SH~
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| Sandhusker: "Why wouldn't NCBA show up, SH? It's one thing to issue written talking points, it's another to stand up and defend/debate them against a foe in front of a live audience." |
I'm quite sure NCBA representatives have better things to do with their time than to accept R-CALF's school yard challenge to debate Bill Bullard in Gordon, NE. Good grief!
Personally, I think their time would be better spent gathering facts and issuing position statements to stop this arrogant "SAVE THE FEEDING INDUSTRY FROM THEMSELVES" legislation.
I only wish the same rules applies to the sale of feeder calves so the R-CALFERS could reap the benefits of the socialized marketing agenda they advocate for the feeding industry.
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| Sandhusker: "Maybe the travel was a problem? They couldn't figure out how to get the checkoff to pay for the 5 hour drive to Gordon?" |
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh gosh you're funny.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Perhaps they'd rather debate a more formidable opponent than an organization that has lost every court battle.
SECOND CALL.....
SHOW ME THE PROOF WHERE PRODUCERS ON AVERAGE RECEIVED LESS MONEY ON THE GRID THAN THROUGH THE CASH MARKET.
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Sandhusker
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It wasn't R-CALF's challenge, it was from Jim Lambley of KSDZ radio.
NCBA had better things to do than actually back the talking points they share with AMI? "Having better things to do" is a pretty weak excuse.
You want proof on grid pricing? Do a Google search.
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mrj
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Surely the radio station personnel in Gordon, NE knows their audience and knows the slant of arguments that generate controversy as being popular with some people. That goal (the notoriety generated by controversy) just possibly had more to do with the 'invitation' than did motivation to inform people.
NCBA leaders have been shouted down, NOT debated down, in previous 'invitations' from R-CALF promoters.....complete with cat calls and thinly veiled threats.
Why would any logical person willingly walk into a stacked deck situation which literally leaves the stage to the person willing to be the rudest at interrupting, and the loudest at shouting, with strongly opinionated convictions and little reliance on factual information?
mrj
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ranch hand
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| MRJ...Why doesn't NCBA set up a debate in NCBA country then?
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