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the_jersey_lilly_2000
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| Put your horse on drive lines before ever gettin on one?
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leanin' H
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katrina
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I do..... I drive mine alot....
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cowwrangler
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| i have done both,to me depends on the horse,some it seems to help(slow learners) and the others doesnt seem to make a difference
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RobinFarmandRanch
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the_jersey_lilly_2000
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not talkin about a lunge line....I'm talkin saddle with a drive line on each side...hooked to the bit...ran thru the stirrups....more or less.
The reason I asked....the lady that has one of our horses training.....asked when I took him to her if he'd ever been driven. Course not knowin his past before age 4 I didn't know. She said she drives everything for the first week.....before she ever swings a leg over them. Says it helps them a whole lot in the long run.
I was just curious how many did it this way. She's really likin this horse.....We get him back new years eve......so we shall see.
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JF Ranch
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I use drive lines on mine but after a lot of other ground work has been done. It is a great exercise in my opinion.
I like the modern methods such as what you see from Clinton Anderson but I've never seen him advocate driving a horse. In his round penning, he always expects the horse to turn to the inside, towards him, never away from him. This is to gain respect and to get them to "catch" you instead of you "catching" them. This is important and I use this philosophy in my ground work.
However, when driving a horse it is necessary to turn them away from you against the pen. I don't see a conflict because by this time I am training them to turn, stop and backup as you would if you were on top of them. By the time I get on, they already know these things.
In my opinion, the important thing is to handle them a lot. It doesn't matter so much what you do, as long as you are working with them and getting them accustomed to many different things.
Driving is just one more tool that makes sense to me.
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katrina
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cowboyup
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| I drive all my colts that way at least a few times. I want them to have an idea what is expected of them when I step on.
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JF Ranch
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the_jersey_lilly_2000
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JF...this is what I"m talking about. She does it with every horse that comes to her place....whether they are "said" to be broke or not. She just thinks it's helps them...plus it helps her get to know what the horse knows...and doesn't know.
She asked if he'd ever been driven when I took him....told her I honestly had no idea....Amanda had already been ridin him for a good long while...but he just wasn't real responsive. Sent the horse to her...and when she put the lines on and got him started...she called and said...oh no...he had no clue what was goin on.
But he's working really well...she's had him since Oct 18....
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Bruce
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| JF Ranch wrote: |
I use drive lines on mine but after a lot of other ground work has been done. It is a great exercise in my opinion.
I like the modern methods such as what you see from Clinton Anderson but I've never seen him advocate driving a horse. In his round penning, he always expects the horse to turn to the inside, towards him, never away from him. This is to gain respect and to get them to "catch" you instead of you "catching" them. This is important and I use this philosophy in my ground work.
However, when driving a horse it is necessary to turn them away from you against the pen. I don't see a conflict because by this time I am training them to turn, stop and backup as you would if you were on top of them. By the time I get on, they already know these things.
In my opinion, the important thing is to handle them a lot. It doesn't matter so much what you do, as long as you are working with them and getting them accustomed to many different things.
Driving is just one more tool that makes sense to me. |
DISCLAIMER: I sure don't mean to dispute any big name trainer's!!!!!
JF A good friend taught me this a number of year's ago and it has helped me immensly. I go against the "never let him turn away" rule on purpose and find if I can "push" as well as draw in the round pen it help's a colt alot. Pushing the colt forward if I can draw on his right eye, to bring him away from the fence then "push"on his right eye till he turn's out away from me, lose's sight of me when I am directly behind him, and pick's me up in his left eye, sure makes a huge difference when I get on him and he need's to switch eye's and direction without panicking. Ultimately with a tough colt I will be able to stay more or less in the center of the round pen and be able to push and draw him through a figure 8, sure has him bending, drawing, and moving away from pressure before I ride and is a pretty good pre-flight for one that's hard to trust.
Long story short you can ground drive him without the rein's 
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Back when I used to bounce a lot better, I'd just climb on and ride them till they didnt buck. But then I learned a method of breaking colts with a sack or a flag and ropes. 4 hours and it is amazing to see what a horse can do. I have yet to have one buck when using this method. 
