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wwire76
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 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: linebreeding |
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| I have a stud and a colt, same sires, different dams. The stud had a daughter with a different mare from the colt. My question is: would it be okay if the colt and the filly were to breed?
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JF Ranch
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Tongue in cheek rule of thumb: If it works it's called line breeding. If it doesn't, it's inbreeding.
If I understand your scenario correctly, the prospective foal's paternal grandsire and maternal great grandsire would be the same stallion. If so, it's done all the time and you shouldn't have any problem. However, if there is an undesirable trait in the stallion, it could be emphasized in the foal.
I have been breeding a mare to a stallion who share the same sire. Their offspring obviously share the same grandsire. Although I have not seen any problems, I haven't yet hit a bulls eye with it either.
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katrina
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| JMHO..... Horses that are linebred I generally don't care for.... But that's just me..
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Justin
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cure
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Many years ago my grandfather thought he was going to be the next King ranch and started to line breed (inbreed) . All I can say is have a good insurance plan because you are going to need it. The problem we had was if you were line breeding a blood line that could be a little hot they got hotter and crazier. If you breed a line that was calm and workable they were lazy and dead heads. We had nothing but problems with it and a lot of scars to show for it. Will never go down that road again.
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Faster horses
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katrina
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Faster horses
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| katrina wrote: |
| Faster horses wrote: |
| katrina wrote: |
| JMHO..... Horses that are linebred I generally don't care for.... But that's just me.. |
We've even learned not to buy a horse that has double breeding
on the papers, even in the past lineage. They just don't turn out
for us.
BTW, Katrina, you know that gelding we talked about that we
were considering buying that was San Peppy bred and you
cautioned us against it? You were right.   
We didn't buy him, but someone we know did... |
LOL.... They just need a job allllllll the time  How are the horses that you did buy doing?
I really, really like the horse soap bought.... I hope he is a keeper too.. |
They seem to be nice and gentle, we particularly like the sorrell. The
gray acts like he needs some dental work. He protects his face a little and
he just isn't happy about the bits we have tried, except a ring snaffle, so
we will get his teeth looked at. And darn him, he's onery to the other horses
so he's getting shut away by himself. He's one of those lonesome ones,
whinnies when they are gone, then onery when they are together. Grrrrrrr.
What horse are you talking about that Soapweed got? Did I miss something???
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OldDog/NewTricks
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:53 am Post subject: |
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With Dogs I have done Father/Daughter bredings - Most Worked
Mother/Son Bredings Do Not work
I have been known to Put a Whole Line Down because of Faults I found...
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Soapweed
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Faster horses wrote: |
| katrina wrote: |
| Faster horses wrote: |
| katrina wrote: |
| JMHO..... Horses that are linebred I generally don't care for.... But that's just me.. |
We've even learned not to buy a horse that has double breeding
on the papers, even in the past lineage. They just don't turn out
for us.
BTW, Katrina, you know that gelding we talked about that we
were considering buying that was San Peppy bred and you
cautioned us against it? You were right.
We didn't buy him, but someone we know did... |
LOL.... They just need a job allllllll the time How are the horses that you did buy doing?
I really, really like the horse soap bought.... I hope he is a keeper too.. |
They seem to be nice and gentle, we particularly like the sorrell. The
gray acts like he needs some dental work. He protects his face a little and
he just isn't happy about the bits we have tried, except a ring snaffle, so
we will get his teeth looked at. And darn him, he's onery to the other horses
so he's getting shut away by himself. He's one of those lonesome ones,
whinnies when they are gone, then onery when they are together. Grrrrrrr.
What horse are you talking about that Soapweed got? Did I miss something??? |
This would be the horse in question, and yes, he's a keeper.
Peach and her buckskin
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katrina
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Faster horses
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| katrina wrote: |
Yes. That's the one soap.. I think that is the best looking and working cowponey I've seen in a long time.....
fh,
Sure might be his teeth.. That dang pecking order can be a pain... I don't really have a suggestion for that.. Might try a cross hobble so it kinda slows him down some.. Maybe the others can get outta his way... Or a very large pasture.. keep us posted.. |
Oh, I like Peach's buckskin too. He's special. And I like it that he has a good home.
Win-win for everyone!
Here's something I'll throw at you about the onery horses. I have talked
to some knowledgeable people, and they say it's a good
possibility they act that way from being hungry,
like really hungry, at some time in their life.
Now, Katrina, my area sales manager says he had one like that, and he
fed him the PN Diet Balancer for a year and the horse
stopped aggravating the other horses. This one isn't terrible, but he sure has the
sorrell getting out of his way and the sorrell has some hair gone as
a result. We had a dun gelding once that couldn't eat his own hay
(we fed the horses on the ground) from running all the others away
from theirs. He was an alligator about it. This horse isn't like that,
thank heavens.
BTW, we call the sorrell "Cruiser" and Mr. FH calls the gray
horse "Snowball"  --- They got separted today, and it's so
odd. The horses he was aggravating are standing at the gate to be
by him and he's running around not a happy camper at all..........
horses are head scratchers for sure.  I'll mention the hobbles to Mr. FH but I doubt he'll leave them on for any length of time. These horses
are turned out in a pasture, but we have hay in a bale feeder for them to come in and eat out of and that's probably when the other horses get
picked on. Now we have to go buy another horse bale
feeder.......Mr. FH won't use a regular feeder because of rubbing their manes out. I said, "go ahead and use a regular one, it would
make his mane match his tail." 
Maybe I should post a picture of the gray horse and his "tail extensions"
which we discovered when we got him home...  
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