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jingo2
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 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:14 am Post subject: Way to go Haley B.............. |
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0111/Did-Haley-Barbour-s-pardon-spree-go-too-far
A law-and-order Republican governor, Haley Barbour of Mississippi, has given full pardons or clemency to 208 inmates, including 14 convicted murderers, setting off a political uproar over the limits of executive power in the traditionally patriarchal South.
Haley Barbour shocker: 'I'm not running for president'
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Mr. Barbour, a popular two-term governor who was term-limited from serving more, signed the pardons before leaving office on Tuesday. The surprise spree caught both Republicans and Democrats off stride, and it suggested that Barbour, who had flirted with running for the White House last year, may be leaving politics for good.
The release Sunday of one convicted killer, David Gatlin, raised fears among those who knew his victim, a slain wife and mom, that he would try to "finish what he started,"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haley_Barbour
Isnt' he the Chairman of some Rep. bunch?
Yeah, we need more 'conservatives' like this...............
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Oldtimer
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I saw an article last night where the State Attorney General had called the pardons/clemencies Unconstitutional- and a Judge had put them all on hold... Several were against the parole boards recommendation..
But they said the murderer they considered the most dangerous was one of the ones that had already been released- and had disappeared...
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hopalong
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hypocritexposer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Almost sounds like what obama and Dems, like Jingo2 and OT, want to do, with the terrorists at Gitmo.....wasn't it obama that pushed for the release of that terrorist due to him having health issues.......kind of like a "suspended sentence" for medical reasons, don't you think?
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Steve
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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there is no polite way to put it.. the former governor ------ up...
the decision was either stupid or not well thought out..
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| One of these men shot his estranged wife in the head while she held her 6-month-old baby, |
if the criminals were already released, then why bother pardoning them..
the idea behind penalties is to punish, rehabilitate and prevent others from committing crimes..
as for the early releases.. some may be justified.. but..
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| Barbour said the people were "not threats to society, but if any of them commits an offense — even a misdemeanor — they'll be returned to custody to serve out their term." |
with the media, it is hard to find the facts.. who was pardoned, who was early released,.. and of those pardoned were they already out of jail?
to me it doesn't mater much as I am against early releases and pardons. unless the evidence shows justice was miscarried.. or the law applied was wrong. and one of the main reasons I strongly support the death penalty is because of crap like this..
it seems more and more criminals get breaks..
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Oldtimer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| if the criminals were already released, then why bother pardoning them.. |
They weren't released- they just were allowed to work on jobs outside the prison during the day...I think at least 4 of them worked for Barbour in the Governors Mansion...
The negative is that he went against the parole board recommendations to release some of these 4- and now have some very scared victims out there...
I do have to admit that the Parole/Prison staff told me that some of the safest prisoners to release back into society and least likely to recommit a crime were the murders/assault crime convictees that had committed a crime of passion (ex- catch their wife in bed with someone else- and shoot him or her- or both)....
Many of those working at the Montana State Prisons ranch over the years- and pretty much with little supervision except spot checks have been convicted murders- crimes of passion type....
But most who have spent years in prison need a supervised gradual working back into society as they have been so far out of contact for so long...
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hypocritexposer
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Oldtimer wrote: |
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| if the criminals were already released, then why bother pardoning them.. |
They weren't released- they just were allowed to work on jobs outside the prison during the day...I think at least 4 of them worked for Barbour in the Governors Mansion...
The negative is that he went against the parole board recommendations to release some of these 4- and now have some very scared victims out there...
I do have to admit that the Parole/Prison staff told me that some of the safest prisoners to release back into society and least likely to recommit a crime were the murders/assault crime convictees that had committed a crime of passion (ex- catch their wife in bed with someone else- and shoot him or her- or both)....
Many of those working at the Montana State Prisons ranch over the years- and pretty much with little supervision except spot checks have been convicted murders- crimes of passion type....
But most who have spent years in prison need a supervised gradual working back into society as they have been so far out of contact for so long... |
So like obama releasing terrorists from Gitmo......you agree with obama releasing prisoners from Gitmo, correct?
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Oldtimer
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I wonder how the good conservative folks of Wyoming feel about a convicted murderer being allowed to move into their state... 
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Pardoned Mississippi murderer found in Wyoming
(CNN) -- A convicted murderer who was pardoned this month in a controversial move by outgoing Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, has been found in Wyoming, Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood announced Monday.
Joseph Ozment was served with papers at a hotel in Laramie, Wyoming, where he had been staying under another name, his office said. As he was fleeing in his girlfriend's car, Ozment bumped an officer and sped from the parking lot. He later returned to the hotel on foot, denying he had been behind the wheel, Hood said. The officer was not seriously hurt.
Ozment's whereabouts had been unknown since he was picked up by his mother on January 8 after his release.
"We said we would find him, and we did," said Hood. "Now, we will let the court decide what happens from here."
Ozment is one of four convicted murderers Barbour pardoned this month. He did not appear at a court hearing in a case challenging the pardons. Hood has said officials wanted to serve Ozment with a document telling him to appear in court. If he does not comply, a judge has the authority to hold him in contempt, the attorney general's office said.
A Jackson, Mississippi, judge is expected to hear the case this week.
As he closed out his second term as governor, Barbour granted "full pardons" -- meaning the convict's record is effectively wiped clean -- to more than 200 people found guilty of a variety of crimes. All four of the convicted murderers he pardoned were serving life sentences and worked as trusties at the governor's mansion.
The move stirred outrage among relatives of the pardoned murderers' victims.
"It's just an every minute, constant, in the back of your mind, where is he? What is he doing?" said Mary McAbee, sister of Rick Montgomery, a store clerk shot to death by Ozment in 1992. Ozment pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
"I'm fearful. He's a cold-blooded murderer to do what he's done, and if he thinks that he may go back to prison, what's he got to lose?" she said.
Hood has been particularly outspoken, earlier this month calling the pardons "a slap in the face to everyone in law enforcement and (saying) Gov. Barbour should be ashamed."
The attorney general is questioning the pardons for "failure to sufficiently meet the publication requirements of the Mississippi Constitution," his office said.
Late Monday, Hood spoke to CNN's "AC360," slamming the former governor and questioning the motives behind his pardons.
"He ran the office of the governor as if it was Mississippi in the 1950s," said Hood. He said many of the inmates Barbour pardoned came from influential families or had connections to the Republican party.
"There's not any logical explanation other than it was just a whim, and by doing it on a whim at the last moment that's how he violated our Constitution," Hood said.
Barbour has defended his pardons. On Friday, he appeared on CNN's "John King USA," saying Ozment and the others have been rehabilitated.
"He has no obligation to do anything. He's been pardoned. He's a free man," Barbour said. |
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| Wonder how many presidential contenders will be wanting the governor's endorsement????
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hopalong
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in one breath oldtimer says
I do have to admit that the Parole/Prison staff told me that some of the safest prisoners to release back into society and least likely to recommit a crime were the murders/assault crime convictees that had committed a crime of passion (ex- catch their wife in bed with someone else- and shoot him or her- or both)....
Many of those working at the Montana State Prisons ranch over the years- and pretty much with little supervision except spot checks have been convicted murders- crimes of passion type....
In another he is worried about the citizens of Mt and one in their midst!!!!!!
Confused oldtimer?? oh just head in a dark spot???
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