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rancher Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 1059
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Some of the US guys think it is funny to see Canadians hurting but what goes around comes around.
How about all the US producers that were hurt when kept out of your country by your regulations that you just happen to drop because it is a bargin chip. Otherwise with no BSE case the regulations would still be there.
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SMS Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Rancher I am puzzled, just how did the restrictions on Blue Tounge and Anaplasmosis affect you or your neighbours. Canada is a net exporting country of beef, the exchange rate didnt make sense to sell cattle into canada and we have these long cold winters that restrict cattle gains .
I sat on a fence looking over a pen of bulls at Midlands in 1999 with Leo, and he could tell me how this was hurting the feeding industry. I agree it hurt some purebred breeders, like Cimmaron from Oklahoma, cause most of his bulls at midlands tested positive for BT, but they still sold. The one it hurt was me, cause it restricted the bulls which i could buy with confidence. Also any bulls I was interested, Leo would have pre tested, so that I knew they would pass and be exportable. This is something I know lots about, after selling bulls and heifers to the USA, and buying breeding stock in the USA for over 10 years.
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whiteface Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 138
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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The posters that talk about "when" BSE is found in the states still amaze me...
They WON'T find it unless it suits their agenda, like Randy said a day or so ago, right about now is when a past case will suddenly "surface" specifically designed to bite R-calf in the butt, and slow thier ego down a notch, although they know that isn't without it's consequenses either.
The U.S. is full of BS(E) and they know it, but they're also too afraid of the precedence and the hole they've already dug for themselves to actually come clean with it. No worries, Canada, we can work this to our advantage.
No worries U.S., we'll have the slaughter capacity and the traceback and soon the cash flow back to be able to bid on YOUR cattle ( keep your prices strong! ) and be able to re-label it "product of Canada" (after all WE brought it up, WE processed it, WE guarantee it to be safe KNOWING where it came from and that the SRM's WERE actually removed...I'd say that makes it ours - good idea y'all have that mcool, don't mind if we use it, since you guys don't need the rest of the world, maybe we'd like to need the rest of the world). No worries, it's all good! Have a good night all from Canada.
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SASH Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 567 Location: Southern Manitoba
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Sash, just wondering why you think we should dis-continue the building of slaughter plants if the border opens.
This whole experience has shown us how political these types of trade disputes are. Canada should continue to add-value to our "raw" resources. The finished product trade is protected by free trade agreements etc.
I actually hope the soft-wood lumber and durum wheat producers are also taking note. There is no reason why we can't finish these products in Canada and ship the "boxed" value-added product. |
I totally agree with you, Murgen. Canadians should be selling more processed ag products instead of shipping raw materials like live cattle and wheat. The thing is what we should be doing is often different from what we will do. If it is easier to let the Americans take care of our processing for us, then that is what we will do. We seem to be so apathetic (pathetic?) that way. I still contend that we would still have packing plants in Manitoba if the Americans hadn't outcompeted us for our own beef. It is my hope that all this extra branding and age verification that needs to be done to ship to the US may give Canadians a competitive edge in processing costs.
As far as BSE goes, the US has very different motivations than us for testing for BSE. We know we have it and the world knows we have it so we test as much as we can on all the highest risk animals to prove that the incidence is really low. The US is trying to show they don't have any BSE, so they are more selective in the type of animals they are testing while trying to keep their numbers up to try and show the world they have no BSE. The problem is they keep getting leaks like the Texas cow and the world is skeptical of their testing program. Personally, I believe that some cases of BSE must be naturally occurring because this disease didn't just appear out of thin air so if there are a certain number of naturally occurring cases and these countries with large herds aren't finding them, where are they going? Into the food chain? JMHO
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frenchie Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 564 Location: nw manitoba
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Oldtimer Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 24735 Location: Northeast Montana
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frenchie Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 564 Location: nw manitoba
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Oldtimer Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 24735 Location: Northeast Montana
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Murgen Rancher

Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 2117 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| OT-Would this pertain to all trade, or just beef. Your population would soon swallow up everything you can produce, you'd still be an importer.
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frenchie Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 564 Location: nw manitoba
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Shep Member

Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: Saskatchewan (CANADA)
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canadian angus Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 608 Location: Northwest Saskatchewan
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