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Denny
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Mn usa
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| I've seen more cows culled for no milk and cancer eye than I have for bad feet. I guess it's in who is doing the talking.Each breed has it's merits. |
The neighbour runs a dog food business and he was over on friday to shoot two cows,both were black angus and they both had cancer eye,so don't say black angus cattle don't get cancer eye.Maybe they don't get it as often as a white faced cows,but i have had a few black angus cows with cancer eye now. |
Well a blanket coverage saying black angus cattle have the poorest feet is another exageration. Having seen my share of poor feet in all colors. The only cancer eye I've ever had were in a few herefords when you have 20 blacks to one hereford thats to many for me. But if were going to bash blacks I'll return the favor every time.
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Oldtimer
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 24735
Location: Northeast Montana
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I've seen more cows culled for no milk and cancer eye than I have for bad feet. I guess it's in who is doing the talking.Each breed has it's merits. |
The neighbour runs a dog food business and he was over on friday to shoot two cows,both were black angus and they both had cancer eye,so don't say black angus cattle don't get cancer eye.Maybe they don't get it as often as a white faced cows,but i have had a few black angus cows with cancer eye now. |
Well a blanket coverage saying black angus cattle have the poorest feet is another exageration. Having seen my share of poor feet in all colors. The only cancer eye I've ever had were in a few herefords when you have 20 blacks to one hereford thats to many for me. But if were going to bash blacks I'll return the favor every time. |
The only cancer eye I've seen was in herefords or in F1 baldy crosses...
Years back when I had more pasture than cows- I even had a deal with a local vet where I could buy white faced hereford/baldy cancer eyes cheap - he'd take them out- and we could share the profits off the calf they raised...But after a while with cheap calf prices it wasn't even worth fooling with- more economical to cut their heads off and buy decent cattle...
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Aaron
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 527
Location: Stratton, Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Aron that bull isn't the only good one in that string-i spent a good hour on the website last night there are alot of good uddered cows behind those bulls too. If you need something bid on Ty or I can go do that for you. River rat I owned a bull with Murray Fraser one time that we drew for insurance-lucky we did we thought he'd moderate frame and were pretty sure he'd be a calving ease bull plus make some cows-he does all that very well but the big surprise was his carcass his sons usually are the high marbling-high yielding calves on ultrasound every spring. We are letting Murray use our share of the semen that is left on his purebred cows-I have a couple young bulls from there I'm sure will calve very well. The bull needs to be protected on his feet there is always a chink in everyone's armour-they aren't real bad but they aren't perfect-Angus are some of the worst footed cattle out there. |
I know NR. There are plenty of good bulls in that bunch. The icing on the cake with 163X is that Braun's used him for a season and he came out in great shape. I really like to see breeders use their own bulls in their programs, even if on a small scale. It tells me they have confidence in the product they are peddling, and know what they are trying to achieve. I can think of a number of breeders, who, for the cow numbers they are running, don't use enough of their own breeding. They BS about how many new bulls they bought the past year at the show/sales, but they can't brag about how great their home-raised bulls are doing, because they don't keep any! Great cowherds don't come from the highest-priced straw you can find.
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littlejoe
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Joined: 19 Feb 2011
Posts: 257
Location: Montana, East Slope
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I've seen more cows culled for no milk and cancer eye than I have for bad feet. I guess it's in who is doing the talking.Each breed has it's merits. |
The neighbour runs a dog food business and he was over on friday to shoot two cows,both were black angus and they both had cancer eye,so don't say black angus cattle don't get cancer eye.Maybe they don't get it as often as a white faced cows,but i have had a few black angus cows with cancer eye now. |
Well a blanket coverage saying black angus cattle have the poorest feet is another exageration. Having seen my share of poor feet in all colors. The only cancer eye I've ever had were in a few herefords when you have 20 blacks to one hereford thats to many for me. But if were going to bash blacks I'll return the favor every time. |
Feet? No worries---their hips willl go first.....
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Hereford76
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Location: North Central Montana
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| so what does it say about a cattleman thats begotten by cancer or prolapse or bad feet? that ain't the right word - but you catch my drift.
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Northern Rancher
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Location: saskatchewan
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| I just call them as i see them and i see alot of bulls every spring-if you run in abrasive soils you can probably be a bit more lenient. When we have the ways and means to select and purchase seedstock with vg feet, udders etc why should there be any compromising. That is much like the fallacy that calving on grass will ruin udders-it will on cows that aren't fundamentally sound in their structure-cows that are have no problem milking to their hearts content out on pasture.
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Northern Rancher
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Location: saskatchewan
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| Sic' Em Genex supposedly lost all my U'S semen in a dry tank at the border but can't furnish any proof-packing slips etc. I still get commission cheques from them so they do have semen left down there somewhere-I'd just phone reps-I think nicky tracked some down last year. I have 700 units up here but I don't think it can legally cross the medicine line. My bull leasing experience sure expanded my learning curve-they did a terrible job of marketing him-I guess some feathers got ruffled when a bush bunnie in Canada had a decent bull to sell-should of got Schaff's to partner on him lol.Glad the cattle are working for you I bought him to make F1's and he seems to be panning out in that role.
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WB
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Joined: 08 Mar 2005
Posts: 288
Location: North Central S.D.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you are right NR I tried to get some Lad semen3 yrs. ago through Genex but to no avail.
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Northern Rancher
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Location: saskatchewan
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| There is some down here because they sell a little bit every year-I have a gut feeling my U'S semen got sold into South America in one big volume deal-they are real shysters.
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Big Swede
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Location: South Dakota
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I don't know many operations that can say they sell their cull bulls for more than they paid for them but that is my situation. We use them 4 years and what we have in them is the feed and grass they've eaten over the years. I've never pushed the pencil hard enough to know if it would be better to lease and not have to feed them for 4 years.
If I had to go back to doing it the old way and spend four to five thousand dollars per head for 6 or 7 bulls per year the bottom line wouldn't look nearly as good. I've been spoiled too long. I'm not knocking any producers or buyers I'm just relating how I do things.
If I ever get the picture thing figured out I will post pictures of the 6 half brothers I purchased from river rat and his family last fall.
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