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Mike
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 Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: 3 DUI's Before Deportation????? |
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U.S. Senate: Illegal aliens must commit three DUI’s before they can be deported
By Dave Gibson, Immigration Reform Examiner
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On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved a measure which would make three DUI convictions an aggravated felony, and a deportable offense. Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) introduced the legislative action as an amendment to the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2011 (S. 1925).
Sen. Grassley’s original amendment called for the policy to be applied retroactively to all DUIs. Expressing the urgency for such a policy, Grassley cited the case of Sister Denise Mosier who was killed by Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, a drunk driving illegal alien in Virginia in 2010. It was Martinelly Montano’s third DUI in five years. http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-alien-convicted-of-murdering-nun-virginia
However, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) objected to the retroactive portion of the amendment , saying it "goes against the sense of overall fairness" and instead, offered his own amendment which removed the retroactive clause. The Committee then passed the measure by a vote of 11-7.
It now moves to the full Senate.
So, what does this mean?
Effectively, if the bill passes and is signed into law, the federal government will only consider an illegal alien DUI offender for deportation, after he/she has accrued three convictions.
That’s three convictions recorded after the bill becomes law.
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Tam
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Sandhusker
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| Meanwhile, if a wetback gets his/her first DUI, the goverment has in their custody an illegal alien that they KNOW is illegal, already in custody, but the crime of being illegal is completely ignored and they will be set free like it doesn't exist. Just how in the hell does this make sense?
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Steve
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this absurd action by congress shows how "stupid" our elected officials have become...
in most countries.. if you commit a crime you get jailed and then once you serve the sentence you are deported..
can't these idiots just enforce the law?
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okfarmer
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Steve wrote: |
this absurd action by congress shows how "stupid" our elected officials have become...
in most countries.. if you commit a crime you get jailed and then once you serve the sentence you are deported..
can't these idiots just enforce the law? |
Why can't we enforce these idiots? The biggest problem with the idiots is that they are doing exactly what a bunch of other idiots want them to do.
I'm past PO'ed and am now just ashamed that so many people gave their life for this country, so our generation can pi$$ it all away.
Just goes to show that if you give someone something for free, most just won't appreciate it unless they have had to work for it.
We are headed for a place worse than where we are now.
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Oldtimer
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Whitewing
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| America's politicans have gone completely mad.
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Mike
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Leahy should be castrated...........................
At least the Republicans want them to follow the law and not be a danger to society..................................
Not much you can do for Indians on the Rez.....................
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Oldtimer
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| Mike wrote: |
Leahy should be castrated...........................
At least the Republicans want them to follow the law and not be a danger to society..................................
Not much you can do for Indians on the Rez..................... |
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On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved a measure which would make three DUI convictions an aggravated felony, and a deportable offense. Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) introduced the legislative action as an amendment to the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2011 (S. 1925).
Sen. Grassley’s original amendment called for the policy to be applied retroactively to all DUIs. Expressing the urgency for such a policy, Grassley cited the case of Sister Denise Mosier who was killed by Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, a drunk driving illegal alien in Virginia in 2010. It was Martinelly Montano’s third DUI in five years. http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-alien-convicted-of-murdering-nun-virginia
However, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) objected to the retroactive portion of the amendment , saying it "goes against the sense of overall fairness" and instead, offered his own amendment which removed the retroactive clause. The Committee then passed the measure by a vote of 11-7.
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| An ex post facto law (from the Latin for "from after the action") or retroactive law is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions committed or relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law. In reference to criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed; or it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in at the time it was committed; or it may change or increase the punishment prescribed for a crime, such as by adding new penalties or extending terms; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime more likely than it would have been at the time of the action for which a defendant is prosecuted. |
How about Grassleys (Republicans) law going against the Constitution... 
Leahy's amendment is probably all that would allow the whole law to stand up to Judicial scrutiny... The law- following the Constitution- has long said you can't put in laws or penalties after the fact.... The law has long maintained that the law at time of the first offense has to be the law followed...
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| In the United States, the federal government is prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by clause 3 of Article I, section 9 of the U.S. Constitution and the states are prohibited from the same by clause 1 of Article I, section 10. |
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lonewolvie
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Democrats control the Senate and they don't want to deport some of their VOTERS.
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Mike
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