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Faster horses
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| Why are you waiting til he wins? Doesn't this need addressd NOW?
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Martin Jr.
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| You are right, this needs to be addressed now. But too many Catholics are ignorant of the situation. This does not leave them blameless, for it is everybodys obligation to know what the truth is.
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Tam
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BRG
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Steve
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| Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. |
it can't get much clearer then that...
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Tam
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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How can the Catholic church allow Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi to sit within their pews after all they have done to further the Democrat views on Abortion and Birth Control?
Perfect example of a hypocrite is Joe Biden standing behind Obama with Ash Wednesday ashes on his forehead. Sunday after Sunday you can ask for forgiveness but if you continue to go against your religion at what point do they realize he is not serious about correcting his ways and say no more.  |
The church is not here to judge, that will be done in time by the Lord himself. With that being said, it is very hypocritical of these guys to go to church to pray and ask for forgiveness and then go to work to do the opposite. |
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Vatican Demonstration Calls for Nancy Pelosi´s Excommunication
By Randy Sly
3/22/2010
The ten pro-life demonstrators will be standing at the Vatican fence in front of St. Peter´s Basilica.
Based on her embrace of a pro-abortion position and her activities in support of the killing of the unborn, the group is calling for the Catholic Church to officially excommunicate Nancy Pelosi.
WASHINGTON, DC (Catholic Online) - On Monday afternoon ten members of a group led by Randall Terry, called The Vanguard of St. Catherine of Siena,called for the ex-communication of Nancy Pelosi in a demonstration just outside the Vatican.
They are also asking Archbishop Wuerl of the Archdiocese of Washington, DC to enforce the Pope´s position on the distribution of Communion to pro-abortion politicians which was communicated in a 2004 letter, "Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion," which he wrote when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.
Terry stated, "Nancy Pelosi has betrayed the Catholic faith, fought to shed innocent blood, and repeatedly voted to take money from Americans to pay for the murder of innocent babies.
"Meanwhile, Washington DC Archbishop Donald Wuerl, has refused to rebuke her for this evil, and also continues to serve her Holy Communion.
"This bill is the most horrific treachery against life since Roe versus Wade. I would hate to be in Nancy Pelosi's shoes on the Day of Judgment.
"President Obama's executive order - should it come to that - will not be worth the paper it is written on."
The Vanguard of St. Catherine of Siena is in Rome calling on various Catholic officials asking for intervention concerning the distribution of Communion to politicians who support abortion. They are requesting more action by the various Apostolic discasteries in requiring American bishops to conform to Canon 915.
Canon 915 refers to the article on "Participation in the Blessed Eucharist" and states, "Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion." |
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Benedict Meets Privately With Vice President Biden
Published Friday, June 3, 2011 A.D. | By Lisa Graas
Vice President Joe Biden was in Rome today to mark the 150th anniversary of Italy’s unification. While there, he met privately with Pope Benedict XVI. Biden is a Mass-attending Catholic who supports “abortion rights”. Many of the Catholic faithful have called for his excommunication due to his support for abortion. No official announcement has been made, as of this writing, in regard to this visit.
In February, 2009, pro-abortion Congresswoman and then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met privately with Pope Benedict XVI. The Vatican issued a statement afterward that was widely considered to be a scolding.
“His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church’s consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoin all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in co-operation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development.” |
Just how far will they go with their agenda before the request of their excommunication be granted by the Pope?
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Tam
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BRG
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Tam,
I don't really disagree with you as with my personal feelings, but this is what I know as what the church rules are:
If we have a mortal sin on our soul, we as Catholics, not sure about other religions, are not to recieve the holy communion, until you recieve forgiveness by going to confession. We are suppose to make that decision ourseleves.
But, I would guess, as I do not know the answer, but I would guess that if a priest knows you have a mortal sin on your soul, he should not give you communion a well.
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Martin Jr.
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| For more information on the subject, go to usccb.org and cli k on 'whiteHouse Misrepresents its own contraceptive mandate'
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Lonecowboy
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oh don't worry Tam-obama covered everythting:
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The Senate health care bill just signed contains some exemptions to the "pay-or-play" mandate requiring purchase of Obamacare-approved health insurance or payment of a penalty fine. As Fox News has pointed out, for instance, the Amish are excused from the mandate:
So while most Americans would be required to sign up with insurance companies or government insurance plans, the church would serve as something of an informal insurance plan for the Amish.
Law experts say that kind of exemption withstands scrutiny.
"Here the statute is going to say that people who are conscientiously opposed to paying for health insurance don't have to do it where the conscientious objection arises from religion," said Mark Tushnet a Harvard law professor. "And that's perfectly constitutional."
Apparently, this exemption will apply similarly to believers in Islam, which considers health insurance - and, for that matter, any form of risk insurance - to be haraam (forbidden).
Steve Gilbert of Sweetness & Light calls our attention to the probability that Muslims will also be exempt. According to a March 23 publication on an authoritative Islamic Web site managed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, various fatwas (religious decrees) absolutely forbid Muslim participation in any sort of health care or other risk insurance:
Health insurance is haraam like other types of commercial insurance, because it is based on ambiguity, gambling and riba (usury). This is what is stated in fatwas by the senior scholars.
In Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (15/277) there is a quotation of a statement of the Council of Senior Scholars concerning the prohibition on insurance and why it is haraam:
It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (15/251):
Firstly: Commercial insurance of all types is haraam because it involves ambiguity, riba, uncertainty, gambling and consuming people's wealth unlawfully, and other shar'i
Secondly: It is not permissible for the Muslim to get involved with insurance companies by working in administration or otherwise, because working in them comes under the heading of cooperating in sin and transgression, and Allaah forbids that as He says: "but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment"
[al-Maa'idah 5:2]. End quote.
reservations.
And Allaah knows best.
So, it turns out that observant Muslims are not only strictly forbidden from buying any health insurance under the ObamaCare mandate, but may also not even work for any company that provides such insurance or any other form of commercial insurance.
It is not made clear whether or not it is religiously okay to accept "free" non-insured medical care such as that offered in hospital ERs and to some who are covered by Medicaid.
Whether it's all right to serve as a doctor, nurse, or orderly caring for patients whose medical services are being paid for by insurance is not covered in the present response - but one could probably obtain a religious ruling from the Sheikh, whose site welcomes the submission of questions about Islamic law and practices. |
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MsSage
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I am not a practicing Catholic even though Grandma and Mom did everything to teach me and have me go through all the steps. I am in NO WAY defending those who take part in any services but as it states you must go to confession and ask for forgiveness how does anyone know if they did? What happens in confessional stays there. We are not to judge. I understand you can only say sorry so many times till its not meant nor are you changing you ways ..... It is up to us to use the brain God gave us if their actions do not match what they say then we do not have to believe them or support them in politics. If the powers that be, in the Catholic church feel their actions warrant excommunication then it is up to them not us.
I feel there is a lot of misinformation out about the Mormons as there is with other religions.
The public practice of polygamy by the church was terminated in 1890 by the Manifesto issued by church President Willford Woodruff in which he publicly declared “that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriages forbidden by the law of the land." Today, over 14 million members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) are strictly monogamist, and members who are known to practice polygamy are excommunicated.
As for sharia law it goes completely against our constitution. Other religions instruct their members to follow the law of the land muslims feel they are the law and others must submit to them and their beliefs.
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Steve
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