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Bull Burger
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Great idea- only question I have is will it be marketed in all areas of the country nationwide and what will the additional cost be?-- My daughter is a single parent mother and has a very limited income- can she afford to buy my grandkids hamburger or beef that she knows is from the US and she feels is of less risk than Canadian? I have no problem with branded programs- seen several come and go in our area, but they priced ($30 steaks and $5 a lb hamburger) themselves out of existence because of the limited quanitity of cattle they could handle, the small (very upperclass) regional areas they targeted and the distance to their markets.....
Personally I have always felt that many of the branded programs was a bourgeois concept, especially since the Canadian BSE issue-- let the rich buy safe US beef, but the peasants can take their chances.... From what I'm hearing from some in the courtroom, that was the feeling that Judge Cebull left them with too- some felt that if another injunction was filed, he or the courts would shut down the whole border imports until the products are labeled..... |
OT,
Instead of finding ambition enough to get involved in a branded beef program, you would rather sit back, let some judge stick a worthless MCOOL law/burden on US producers and let all the single mothers eat the cheap hamburger coming from cattle fed chicken manure.
Maybe if MCOOL is passed only the very affluent will be able to afford quality Canadian beef? Then what will you do, OT? 
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Oldtimer
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Great idea- only question I have is will it be marketed in all areas of the country nationwide and what will the additional cost be?-- My daughter is a single parent mother and has a very limited income- can she afford to buy my grandkids hamburger or beef that she knows is from the US and she feels is of less risk than Canadian? I have no problem with branded programs- seen several come and go in our area, but they priced ($30 steaks and $5 a lb hamburger) themselves out of existence because of the limited quanitity of cattle they could handle, the small (very upperclass) regional areas they targeted and the distance to their markets.....
Personally I have always felt that many of the branded programs was a bourgeois concept, especially since the Canadian BSE issue-- let the rich buy safe US beef, but the peasants can take their chances.... From what I'm hearing from some in the courtroom, that was the feeling that Judge Cebull left them with too- some felt that if another injunction was filed, he or the courts would shut down the whole border imports until the products are labeled..... |
OT,
Instead of finding ambition enough to get involved in a branded beef program, you would rather sit back, let some judge stick a worthless MCOOL law/burden on US producers and let all the single mothers eat the cheap hamburger coming from cattle fed chicken manure.
Maybe if MCOOL is passed only the very affluent will be able to afford quality Canadian beef? Then what will you do, OT? |
I don't have a problem with Canada marketing all their beef as a branded beef product as long as it has a big "Product of Canada" label on it when its sold at the store....
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Bull Burger
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I don't have a problem with Canada marketing all their beef as a branded beef product as long as it has a big "Product of Canada" label on it when its sold at the store.... |
What if the single mothers can't afford it?
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Oldtimer
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I don't have a problem with Canada marketing all their beef as a branded beef product as long as it has a big "Product of Canada" label on it when its sold at the store.... |
What if the single mothers can't afford it? |
As well known as our government is for finding a way to keep food costs down, I'm sure they will keep the food costs low enough for all--All I ask is that they provide all the consumers with all the info to make their own decision rather than having them play three card monte every time they purchase beef......
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~SH~
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OT: "As well known as our government is for finding a way to keep food costs down, I'm sure they will keep the food costs low enough for all--"
Can you explain the correlation between higher cattle prices and finding a way to keep food costs down?
This should be an interesting divertion.
~SH~
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mwj
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Texan
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| As well known as our government is for finding a way to keep food costs down, I'm sure they will keep the food costs low enough for all........ |
What are you suggesting, OT? Socialized food costs? That should be great for cattlemen and farmers! Or maybe just something similar to Nixon's '73 beef price ceiling? So we can get back to 30 cent calves?
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| Can you explain the correlation between higher cattle prices and finding a way to keep food costs down? |
We can't have it both ways!
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Oldtimer
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| As well known as our government is for finding a way to keep food costs down, I'm sure they will keep the food costs low enough for all........ |
What are you suggesting, OT? Socialized food costs? That should be great for cattlemen and farmers! Or maybe just something similar to Nixon's '73 beef price ceiling? So we can get back to 30 cent calves?
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| Can you explain the correlation between higher cattle prices and finding a way to keep food costs down? |
We can't have it both ways! |
Texan- Historically for the past 50+ years the US food costs have been the lowest, percentage wise compared to income, of most countries in the world-- much of this was done by government control- buyup programs, subsidies, trade agreements etc. Altho GW talks about it, I don't see any fast trend for this to change.....
I think if you look at the prices ranchers are receiving now and the comparison to what wages have risen out in the real world, we are on the negative side-- this accounts for why consumers are still willing to pay for even the prices retailers are asking.....
According to GAO, MCOOL cost to implement would be quite minimal... I have to believe them over the heavily lobbied USDA.... Labeling beef would not cost that much for the consumer and would leave many of the issues we argue on this site to the decision of that consumer....
I read a post the other day on another site made by a Canadian-- they talked of how the USDA stamp used to be the most highly respected mark in the world- and how now with the Judges multiple rulings, Senates vote of no-confidence in the USDA, and major questioning of USDA's policies- the stamp and faith in the USDA had been irreparably damaged..... Naturally, since the post was from a Canadian, they were mostly blaming R-CALF... I had to agree with most of the post- but I took the blame one step further and put it right back on USDA's doorstep-- their backing of the big packer interests, appearances of putting trade above food safety, and whoring out of the USDA stamp has made all of their actions come into question....
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Bull Burger
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| I read a post the other day on another site made by a Canadian-- they talked of how the USDA stamp used to be the most highly respected mark in the world- and how now with the Judges multiple rulings, Senates vote of no-confidence in the USDA, and major questioning of USDA's policies- the stamp and faith in the USDA had been irreparably damaged..... Naturally, since the post was from a Canadian, they were mostly blaming R-CALF... I had to agree with most of the post........... |
You're right Oldtimer, R-CALF with the help of PETA, Consumers Union, Consumers League, WORC, LMA, OCM, CCMP, etc. have kept the public confused and misinformed on beef safety issues. If or when we have a native case, it could be a wreck.
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My family eats what is raised on the farm and we all benifit from it. Maybe you should council her to become a vegan if you are concerned for her health! If a few cents a pound is keeping her away from branded beef she is probably eating ''cheap'' chicken anyway.