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Tam
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 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject: Please Clarify something for me |
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| R-CALF-USA had asked Cebull to block USDA's plans to implement its final rule opening the border to feeder and fed cattle. R-CALF disputes USDA's claims that the threat of introduction of BSE to U.S. cattle and beef supplies from the Canadian cattle exports should be considered "minimal risk." |
I have asked this before and I will ask it again
Can any of you R-CALF supporters tell me how importing Canadian UTM cattle will put you US cattle in any kind of risk? They are free of BSE according to the science, you are trying to sell Japan.
And if the rules about SRM removal and feed ban rules are followed in the US how can our OTM cattle put your herd at risk? it is not contagious the only known way it spreads is by one animal eating the tissue of an infected animal. Isn't that why you have a FEED BAN in the US?
If you are taking the meat and not taking the cattle doesn't that make it look like you don't trust the place that slaughters it? Our meat is comingleing in the store selves as their are millions of canadian cattle still living in the US herd and the US can't find them not to mention the of lbs of boneless entering the US everyday in boxes.
Sorry R-CALF and Judge Cebull did you forget about the elusive canadian cattle that comingle with the US herd and have for years? What added risk are they if your feed bans have holes that would allow any imported cattle to add risk. Or are their different rules for cattle living in the US already to those imported, when it comes to feed bans and SRM removal?
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PORKER
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Location: Michigan-Florida
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: PLATE WASTE Chicken litter pet food |
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| The route to BSE is quite large and all of the above risks have not been settled.
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Tam
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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So we have to wait until you get your s*** together on plate waste chicken litter and pet food . These are not our problem they are yours.
You seem to like using the OIE rules against Canada well did you forget that one of the things that the OIE code says is
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| The code also draws attention to the obligations under the provisions of the WTO-SPS, whereby the importing country cannot be more trade restrictive than necessary to achieve the desired national level of protection, and the its measures must not be different from those applied to products within the domestic market" |
Again the plate waste, chicken litter and pet food are not our problem they are YOURS
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HAY MAKER
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| say Miss Tam you been a lil terror today,you better quit while your a head before hubby catches your big but playing on the computer all day instead of cleaning house ,LOL................good luck
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don
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Location: saskatchewan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| good one hay maker. you never duck a question or avoid the big issues. if you find an answer you can copy and paste i'm sure you'll serve it up to us.
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Sandhusker
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Location: Nebraska
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Please Clarify something for me |
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| Tam wrote: |
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| R-CALF-USA had asked Cebull to block USDA's plans to implement its final rule opening the border to feeder and fed cattle. R-CALF disputes USDA's claims that the threat of introduction of BSE to U.S. cattle and beef supplies from the Canadian cattle exports should be considered "minimal risk." |
I have asked this before and I will ask it again
Can any of you R-CALF supporters tell me how importing Canadian UTM cattle will put you US cattle in any kind of risk? They are free of BSE according to the science, you are trying to sell Japan.
Response; Tam, how could you of missed R-CALF questioning USDA's science? The "science" being pushed on Japan is the USDA's, not R-CALF's.
And if the rules about SRM removal and feed ban rules are followed in the US how can our OTM cattle put your herd at risk? it is not contagious the only known way it spreads is by one animal eating the tissue of an infected animal. Isn't that why you have a FEED BAN in the US?
Response; A feed ban is part of OIE recommendations. They recommend it because eating infected feed is the majority view on BSE transmission, but NOTHING has been proven. The USDA implemented the feed ban, not R-CALF.
If you are taking the meat and not taking the cattle doesn't that make it look like you don't trust the place that slaughters it? Our meat is comingleing in the store selves as their are millions of canadian cattle still living in the US herd and the US can't find them not to mention the of lbs of boneless entering the US everyday in boxes.
Response; R-CALF doesn't think the US should be taking boxed beef or live cattle. Once again, you're barking at R-CALF when it is the USDA's policy.
Sorry R-CALF and Judge Cebull did you forget about the elusive canadian cattle that comingle with the US herd and have for years? What added risk are they if your feed bans have holes that would allow any imported cattle to add risk. Or are their different rules for cattle living in the US already to those imported, when it comes to feed bans and SRM removal? |
Response; R-CALF hasn't forgotten about all the Canadian cattle that are down here. In fact they addressed that by called for tracking down all Canadian cattle in the US. Tam, I really think that each one of your complaints here is a complaint against the USDA, not R-CALF.
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HAY MAKER
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| good one hay maker. you never duck a question or avoid the big issues. if you find an answer you can copy and paste i'm sure you'll serve it up to us. |
The big issuses as you call them have lots of shades of grey built in them,and we could go back and forth for ever and not accomplish a Damn thing DON ,dont be so bitter border will open soon enough I dont know why you are whinning any way you have the government subsidizing you truth be known you are making more off subsidies than you ever made off cattle.......good luck
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don
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Location: saskatchewan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| keep up the good sleuthing there hay maker. above all keep supporting r-calf's trips to judge cebull so that you can discredit the american beef industry. you'll have canada begging for mcool in the states. thanks for the good wishes.
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Bull Burger
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Location: Fruited Plains of western SD
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| R-CALF hasn't forgotten about all the Canadian cattle that are down here. In fact they addressed that by called for tracking down all Canadian cattle in the US. |
Hmmmmmmm, can you show us proof they called for that?
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HAY MAKER
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| keep up the good sleuthing there hay maker. above all keep supporting r-calf's trips to judge cebull so that you can discredit the american beef industry. you'll have canada begging for mcool in the states. thanks for the good wishes. |
whats your problem with M COOL?I think the consumer has a right to know where their food originates,and I personally believe it will be good for the canadian cattle man as it will for the USA cattle man...........good luck PS dont be so bitter,border will open soon and you will be glad we have M COOL ,because our real threat is south.
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Bull Burger
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I think the consumer has a right to know where their food originates,and I personally believe it will be good for the canadian cattle man as it will for the USA cattle man...... |
I think the consumer has a right to know where their food originates even if it forced upon them kicking & screaming. Thats purdy much what you are saying, HAYMAKER. To hell with what the consumer asks for, let's force COOL on 'em.
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cowsense
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Location: Central Saskatchewan
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| Perhaps someone can clarify this further but I was under the impression that all our boxed beef that goes south is moved as no-roll or ungraded product. The boxes obviously carry the Canadian label...but any sales or representation as US product happen on YOUR side of the line!
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