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rancher Rancher

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Mike Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| This will be VERY interesting!
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don Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| judge cebull is probably working on the proposed rule right now. lol.
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rancher Rancher

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| What scares me and that is why I backed R-calf on the border issue. If we open up to BSE then all the countries can ship to us. It will be a lot harder to prove they have safety standards that Canada or USA has. Once the door is opened it will be hard to close. AMI will sue that we take beef from one we will have to take it from all that has BSE. Just my opinion, no need to tell me you disagree as I already know that you do.
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don Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| actually i see a lot of merit in the oie updating their classifications to reflect knowledge gained since the last rule review. if a new rule is negotiated, hopefully it will be adhered to. i don't think it will change r-calf's protectionist ambitions. there has to be a reason for usda or whoever down there wanting to update the rules. wonder what that might be???
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Mike Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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This rule will fly like a poot in a whirlwind. When you force a country to take something it doesn't want is like taking away their sovereignty. Japan knows what it wants, and it ain't our beef. We just can't keep forcing others to see our way. Sometimes you lead by example.
Shipping beef from England will REALLY help to build consumer confidence, eh? This has AMI written all over it.
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rancher Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Don, wonder what that might be?
I suppose it is so we can take the freezer burnt BSE cow of lock-up and not lose our market. Black Helicopters brought her in to test and the USDA vets put her on ice.
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don Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Don, wonder what that might be?
usda and a bunch of others acknowledge that the north american beef market has been integrated, at least in the past, and this and common sense tells them that there is as good a chance of bse in the states as there is of it being in canada (and it is). why? because practices and regulations have been so similar that if the us doesn't have bse it is more a matter of luck than anything else. maybe we had bad luck and yours has been good. at any rate, i think usda wants to prepare for the eventuality in case it should happen. a new rule may allow imports from a country under a formal minimal risk classificqation but it could also reinforce borders closed to those who don't fit the new classification.
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rancher Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Why doesn't Mexico have BSE? Why are their borders not shut down? Why doesn't the rest of Canada have problems? ( yes , I know most of the cattle are from Alberta). I say a feed plant in the area had a major problem they didn't know about to get that many cattle in the area showing problems.
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Oldtimer Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 24735 Location: Northeast Montana
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| This is what USDA should have done in the first place instead of trying to rewrite OIE and world health rules on their own--- This has been in the making for some time, but the last article I read a couple months ago indicated it was facing a mixed reception from the countries of the world- was not sure if it would ever take wings........
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Tam Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8696 Location: Sask
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Mike Rancher

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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TAM:"Rancher you make it sound as if there were hundreds infected 4 were in a herd of MILLIONS now that really brings to mind a MAJOR PROBLEM doesn't it?"
I see your point Tam, but how do either of us know that hundreds DIDN'T go into the food chain? We don't! I mean US and Canada.
Rancher has a point, there must have been something going on in Alberta at one point in time. BTW, was the 1993 cow in Alberta? Just wondering.
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