|
| Author |
Message |
Sandhusker Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 18244 Location: Nebraska
|
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:42 pm Post subject: Why not test Canadian OTM beef? |
|
|
| R-CALF says your meat is diseased, you say it isn't. Why not test it and settle it?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
SASH Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 567 Location: Southern Manitoba
|
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Everytime we tried to test everything, the US told us not to because we are supposedly an integrated North American beef industry and you don't want to test.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Sandhusker Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 18244 Location: Nebraska
|
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| SASH wrote: |
| Everytime we tried to test everything, the US told us not to because we are supposedly an integrated North American beef industry and you don't want to test. |
Who's country is it? Do you owe us any favors?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
SASH Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 567 Location: Southern Manitoba
|
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| You would be surprised what the US does to us when they are p****d off. You know, challenge our wheat board, put tariffs on our softwood lumber, close the border to our beef. You know, that kind of stuff.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Sandhusker Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 18244 Location: Nebraska
|
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| SASH wrote: |
| You would be surprised what the US does to us when they are p****d off. You know, challenge our wheat board, put tariffs on our softwood lumber, close the border to our beef. You know, that kind of stuff. |
What can we do if you decide to test? The wheat board, tariffs, borders, etc....all that has to do with trade and you're talking about agreements, OIE, WTO, and all that related crap. We have something to cling to - not so with testing. Japan tests their domestic beef, the EU tests, what are we doing to them? You would think you folks in the cooler climes would have a little more hair where it's needed Get testing! I can't beleive you've got the tool handy that can settle everything, and you won't use it.
Come to think of it, we've got a few folks pointing their finger at us and hollering disease as well. We could settle things out, too.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
PORKER Rancher

Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 4171 Location: Michigan-Florida
|
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: Right On |
|
|
| I can't wait till LIVE BSE testing is here!!!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
frenchie Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 564 Location: nw manitoba
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Manitoba_Rancher Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2119 Location: Canada
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Broke Cowboy Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 881 Location: With The Herd
|
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Canucks
test everything - stop implants
you get Japan and European markets
what are you waiting for?
BC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
~SH~ Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5426 Location: South Western SD
|
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
Sandhusker,
Where is the BSE test for UTM animals that is a reliable depiction of BSE before the animal shows clinical signs of the disease?
What Creekstone was offering was to test cattle with a test that wouldn't reveal anything anyway.
Are you offering the same deception?
Before you can test UTM cattle don't you have to have a reliable test for UTM cattle???
Just parroting the lines again huh?
~SH~
|
|
| Back to top |
|
rkaiser Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 1953 Location: Ponoka Alberta
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Mike Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 16951 Location: Montgomery, Al
|
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
Where is the BSE test for UTM animals that is a reliable depiction of BSE before the animal shows clinical signs of the disease?
What Creekstone was offering was to test cattle with a test that wouldn't reveal anything anyway.
Are you offering the same deception?
Before you can test UTM cattle don't you have to have a reliable test for UTM cattle???
~SH~[/quote]
Prionics Check Western/Elisa test would meet the criteria you specify. Can and has detected prions in subclinical animals. It's the one Japan and Europe has found UTM positives with. Instead of the IHC, the USDA is now using these for confirmation of "inconclusives" (by the way, there is no such thing as "inconclusive", it's either positive or negative using rapid tests) the IHC is only as good as the interpretation of the technician(s). Not so "Gold Standard" anymore since new technology and Prionics developed and discovered prion antibodies.
Bio-Rad, the first rapid test approved by the USDA in 2004, was notorious for false positives and was the only one Creekstone could have gotten at the time due to approval by the USDA. EU and UK approved the Prionics test in 2000-2001. They were light years ahead of the USDA in testing methods simply because of the number of cases.
Check Western is being used in all 24 month and older animals in France, Belgium, and other EU countries at this time with complete reliability.
BSE testing and food safety has never been an issue with the USDA and has said so publicly on many occasions. Japan, UK, and EU test not only for food safety reasons but animal health as well. If that's what the consumer and scientists are demanding there is no other choice.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|