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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Why not test Canadian OTM beef? Reply with quote

R-CALF says your meat is diseased, you say it isn't. Why not test it and settle it?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everytime we tried to test everything, the US told us not to because we are supposedly an integrated North American beef industry and you don't want to test.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SASH wrote:
Everytime we tried to test everything, the US told us not to because we are supposedly an integrated North American beef industry and you don't want to test.


Who's country is it? Do you owe us any favors?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would be surprised what the US does to us when they are p****d off. You know, challenge our wheat board, put tariffs on our softwood lumber, close the border to our beef. You know, that kind of stuff.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SASH wrote:
You would be surprised what the US does to us when they are p****d off. You know, challenge our wheat board, put tariffs on our softwood lumber, close the border to our beef. You know, that kind of stuff.


What can we do if you decide to test? The wheat board, tariffs, borders, etc....all that has to do with trade and you're talking about agreements, OIE, WTO, and all that related crap. We have something to cling to - not so with testing. Japan tests their domestic beef, the EU tests, what are we doing to them? You would think you folks in the cooler climes would have a little more hair where it's needed Wink Get testing! I can't beleive you've got the tool handy that can settle everything, and you won't use it.

Come to think of it, we've got a few folks pointing their finger at us and hollering disease as well. We could settle things out, too.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: Right On Reply with quote

I can't wait till LIVE BSE testing is here!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Why not test Canadian OTM beef? Reply with quote

Sandhusker wrote:
R-CALF says your meat is diseased, you say it isn't. Why not test it and settle it?


How about we both test everything .. Question


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldnt it be interesting if both countries were testing everything, wonder who would find the most BSE cases? Say what?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canucks

test everything - stop implants

you get Japan and European markets

what are you waiting for?

BC


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker,

Where is the BSE test for UTM animals that is a reliable depiction of BSE before the animal shows clinical signs of the disease?

What Creekstone was offering was to test cattle with a test that wouldn't reveal anything anyway.

Are you offering the same deception?

Before you can test UTM cattle don't you have to have a reliable test for UTM cattle???

Just parroting the lines again huh?



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy I guarantee that if BSE testing for export markets went to a vote among producers of Canada, the result would be a resounding yes.

Too bad none of this issue involves anything as common sense as that. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is the BSE test for UTM animals that is a reliable depiction of BSE before the animal shows clinical signs of the disease?

What Creekstone was offering was to test cattle with a test that wouldn't reveal anything anyway.

Are you offering the same deception?

Before you can test UTM cattle don't you have to have a reliable test for UTM cattle???
~SH~[/quote]

Prionics Check Western/Elisa test would meet the criteria you specify. Can and has detected prions in subclinical animals. It's the one Japan and Europe has found UTM positives with. Instead of the IHC, the USDA is now using these for confirmation of "inconclusives" (by the way, there is no such thing as "inconclusive", it's either positive or negative using rapid tests) the IHC is only as good as the interpretation of the technician(s). Not so "Gold Standard" anymore since new technology and Prionics developed and discovered prion antibodies.
Bio-Rad, the first rapid test approved by the USDA in 2004, was notorious for false positives and was the only one Creekstone could have gotten at the time due to approval by the USDA. EU and UK approved the Prionics test in 2000-2001. They were light years ahead of the USDA in testing methods simply because of the number of cases.
Check Western is being used in all 24 month and older animals in France, Belgium, and other EU countries at this time with complete reliability.
BSE testing and food safety has never been an issue with the USDA and has said so publicly on many occasions. Japan, UK, and EU test not only for food safety reasons but animal health as well. If that's what the consumer and scientists are demanding there is no other choice.


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