Ranchers.net Bull Session

 
Log in Register Ranchers.net Ranchers.net's Bull Session Forum Index FAQ Memberlist Search


Calling HAYMAKER
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ranchers.net's Bull Session Forum Index -> Bull Session
Author Message
Tam
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 8696
Location: Sask
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Calling HAYMAKER Reply with quote
Quote:
Under no circumstances should the United States accept any cattle, beef or beef products, from countries that do not maintain identical or more stringent safeguard measures that is presently required or presently proposed in the United States and which measures have been enforced for at least as long as the United States


Just in case you missed this Haymaker I want to know what you think of this statement. Please feel free to call the R-CALF office in Billings and see what you are to say but hurry as I'm waiting. Razz Laughing Razz
Back to top
Maple Leaf Angus
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 1823
Location: Southern Ontario
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Try him again later, Tam. I think he must have left his phone off the Hook. Laughing
Back to top
HAY MAKER
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 8307
Location: Texas
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Calling HAYMAKER Reply with quote
Tam wrote:
Quote:
Under no circumstances should the United States accept any cattle, beef or beef products, from countries that do not maintain identical or more stringent safeguard measures that is presently required or presently proposed in the United States and which measures have been enforced for at least as long as the United States


Just in case you missed this Haymaker I want to know what you think of this statement. Please feel free to call the R-CALF office in Billings and see what you are to say but hurry as I'm waiting. Razz Laughing Razz


Called the office and they said ignore the canadian hussie she is just trying to pick a fight with you....................good luck
Back to top
Tam
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 8696
Location: Sask
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Calling HAYMAKER Reply with quote
HAY MAKER wrote:
Tam wrote:
Quote:
Under no circumstances should the United States accept any cattle, beef or beef products, from countries that do not maintain identical or more stringent safeguard measures that is presently required or presently proposed in the United States and which measures have been enforced for at least as long as the United States


Just in case you missed this Haymaker I want to know what you think of this statement. Please feel free to call the R-CALF office in Billings and see what you are to say but hurry as I'm waiting. Razz Laughing Razz


Called the office and they said ignore the canadian hussie she is just trying to pick a fight with you....................good luck


I take it you are not going to agree or disagree with the Statement R-CALF made in their comments to the USDA.

If you now decide to agree with the statement because R-CALF made it that is fine. I agree too but that statement should also read

Quote:
Under no circumstances should the Canada accept any cattle, beef or beef products, from countries that do not maintain identical or more stringent safeguard measures that is presently required or presently proposed in Canada and which measures have been enforced for at least as long as Canada


I can just hear the border slam shut can't you Haymaker? I mean the one coming North. As the past two years have proved that the safeguards and measures to protect the US industry have not been identical or as stringent as those practices in Canada now have they Haymaker.
I.E. Feed bans remember the chicken litter and plate waste issue.
I.E. Feed ban compliance remember the USDA proved by examining our records that Canada has a robust system and good compliance while the US government investigation found holes in the FDA handleing of the inspections involved in compliance to feed ban in the US.
I/E. Testing for BSE remember that while Canadian ranchers are turning over their dead and dieing you know the 4D's the USDA is getting their samples from the US slaughter houses because the US ranchers do not want them testing their on farm dead and dieing.
I.E the nationals ID system that Canada has to trace any diseased animal back to birth place, which the US doesn't have. Canada can find the animals involved in the BSE issues but the US proved they couldn't. Tell me Haymaker during the last BSE investigation the CFIA announced that 6 of the birth cohorts of the positive cow had been exported to the US, has the US found them? Or are they hiding in the US herd right along with the imported cattle that you didn't find in the Washington cow investigation and the offspring of the UK cattle?
I.E. Downers in the food chain remember the three Canadian cattle didn't make it to the Canadian food chain but the Washington cow did. Oh yea she wasn't a downer was she but the USDA are still getting their testing samples from the slaughter houses, and their are suppose to be testing downers aren't they. if downers don't go into the food chain what is the USDA testing?

I think I have made my point Haymaker. Slam goes the North bond traffic of cattle trucks and beef trucks. Laughing
Back to top
HAY MAKER
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 8307
Location: Texas
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: BOTTOM LINE Reply with quote
IT appears like you have made a few valid points...........BUT bottom line CANADIA=4
USA=0......................good luck
Back to top
Tam
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 8696
Location: Sask
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: BOTTOM LINE Reply with quote
HAY MAKER wrote:
IT appears like you have made a few valid points...........BUT bottom line CANADIA=4
USA=0......................good luck


Thank you Haymaker for admitting I had a few valid points Smile but Just where was Canada's second case found Haymaker? Say what? Where are all the cattle imported with her Haymaker? Say what? Where are some of the birth cohorts to the cows found in Canada Haymaker? Say what? Where are the cattle that ate feed that was imported to the US from Canada, the EU and the UK Haymaker? Say what? You and R-CALF think the only thing that matters is where the animal was born but I don't think Japan and the rest of your trading partners think the same as you. Razz Remember Haymaker when the OIE said the US couldn't consider the Washington case of BSE as imported as she could not be considers in isolation of the whole system because of the volume of trade under NAFTA? Cry
Back to top
HAY MAKER
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 8307
Location: Texas
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: BOTTOM LINE Reply with quote
[quote="Tam"]
HAY MAKER wrote:
IT appears like you have made a few valid points...........BUT bottom line CANADIA=4
USA=0......................good luck


Thank you Haymaker for admitting I had a few valid points Smile but Just where was Canada's second case found Haymaker? Say what? Where are all the cattle imported with her Haymaker? Say what? Where are some of the birth cohorts to the cows found in Canada Haymaker? Say what? Where are the cattle that ate feed that was imported to the US from Canada, the EU and the UK Haymaker? Say what? You and R-CALF think the only thing that matters is where the animal was born but I don't think Japan and the rest of your trading partners think the same as you. Razz Remember Haymaker when the OIE said the US couldn't consider the Washington case of BSE as imported as she could not be considers in isolation of the whole system because of the volume of trade under NAFTA? Cry

Well IM sure we could go back and forth all day with zero results,fact of the matter is lots of unknowns about BSE,and a lot of folks feel like we would be compounding the problem by opening the border.And without exports ,chances are slim,the border is only half the bad news M COOL is the other half.............good luck its gonna take one tough canadian cattle man to ride out this storm,I believe the industry is changed permanetly.
Back to top
Manitoba_Rancher
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 2119
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You'd almost think Haymaker lived in nebraska on the REZ! Cry
Back to top
HAY MAKER
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 8307
Location: Texas
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Manitoba_Rancher wrote:
You'd almost think Haymaker lived in nebraska on the REZ! Cry


IM still here in TEXAS MR,I know these are hard facts you want to blame some one for ,but the fact of the matter is you lost your market and you caused the AMERICAN cattle man countless dollars in lost sales,sooner you accept that the sooner you start on the road to recovery.............good luck
Back to top
Manitoba_Rancher
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 2119
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fact of the matter is that the processors want our beef and without our cattle these plants will likely close and without plants your NOTHING!
Back to top
HAY MAKER
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 8307
Location: Texas
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Manitoba_Rancher wrote:
Fact of the matter is that the processors want our beef and without our cattle these plants will likely close and without plants your NOTHING!


YUP its gonna get interesting before it gets better ,I hope you make it,lots of us have positioned our selves for a hard ride ..............good luck MR some of us aint about to let the packers controll the cattle industry,nothing personal
Back to top
don
Rancher
Rancher


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 1574
Location: saskatchewan
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
IM still here in TEXAS MR,I know these are hard facts you want to blame some one for ,but the fact of the matter is you lost your market and you caused the AMERICAN cattle man countless dollars in lost sales,sooner you accept that the sooner you start on the road to recovery.............good luck

you know, hay maker, if you'd kept that washington cow out of the food supply you'd probably still have export markets like you used to. don't blame canadians for an unreliable food safety system down there. you would've been further ahead to 3s that one too because while it was a canadian born animal all it did was show the deficiencies in the american system. probably feels better to keep telling yourself it's canada's fault.
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ranchers.net's Bull Session Forum Index -> Bull Session All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 




Powered by phpBB
Copyright © 2001-2011 Ranchers.net
All times are GMT - 6 Hours