Who is responsible for the border staying closed?

southdevon

I guess what i just want to know is what everyone thinks about this issue, what they think we should do to improve our status, and any other input. I am writing a paper with your input and suggestions, names WILL NOT BE MENTIONED, unless you request it.

Thankyou,
Sam Fraser

Murgen · Rancher Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 2117 Location: Ontario

Sam, are you talking about North american borders or export markets?

southdevon · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject:

Big Muddy rancher · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject:

March 7th was the date USDA slated the border would open to Canadian beef and R-CALF went to court and got the Injunction. I would say R-CALF is keeping the border closed. They at times even like to take credit for closing it in the first place but that was because of outdated BSE trade rules.
As far as International markets some are using the BSE as a trade deterant and other countries are starting to open up as the under stand Bse better.

southdevon · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:

Great, you guys post fast, i need opinions, blow off some steam if you want to, i need all angles. Personally, i am a member of R-CALF, and the MCA, and i need this input to have a non-bias view on this subject and learn more from a different perspective.

Murgen · Rancher Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 2117 Location: Ontario

Sam, an R-calf member who wants a different opinion? That's different, haven't seen that before on Ranchers! But don't be offended if your desire for input is met with a little sceptitism!

SMS · Member Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Alberta

who is to blame? We all are.

The cattlemen in north america for not putting more pressure on our goverments to update BSE regulation's in both countries.

The goverments for dragging their feet on maintaining up todate regs, and for not allowing BSE testing on all OTM cattle years ago. Or at least the 4D cattle.

The packers for being lazy and not expanding beef markets and relying on the north americian market to be the backbone of the industry. Also the packing industry for almagamating to a few large plants, which meant there was a need for live cattle to be exported from cattle. Only boxed beef should be leaving either country.

The feedlots for not following M&BM regulations, cause of greed.

The public for believing the lies that political lobby groups throw around for the betterment of their own greed.

So you can see there is lots of blame for everyone. No one is completly innocent on this issue. If you want to bring it down to one common thread of blame, I think it is cause of "Short term profits and Greed, while sacrificing the long term viability of the industry".

Hope this helps you.

With a name like SouthDevon, you can be all bad even if you are an RCALFER..... Laughing

R. McGregor
http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/mcgregor

Clarence · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject:

Sam,

R-calf has done some things to keep the border closed, but I think they are trying to take more credit them they are entitled. I really don't think that by themselves they have that much clout.

I think the main thing is that there are so many unknowns. How did it get into North America? It seems no one wants to find the real source. We never had a case of BSE until rcently, so the source is from outside. The feed ban and ban on imports of ruminant byproducts have been in place for some time. All the testing of the 4ds and those entering slaughter plants may tell how prevalant the disease is but does nothing to find the source. I don't buy the spontaneous theory because non has been found in Mexico, Auturalia, New Zealand or Brazil.

Bill · Rancher Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2067 Location: GWN

Mike · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject:

Clarence, "I think the main thing is that there are so many unknowns. How did it get into North America? It seems no one wants to find the real source. We never had a case of BSE until rcently, so the source is from outside."
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In 1993 BSE was detected in a cow imported from England to Canada in (I believe) in 1987, at the beginning of the epidemic in England. Could this be where it started here in North America?

Murgen · Rancher Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 2117 Location: Ontario

rkaiser · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject:

Mike from Alabama - The imported cow that came to Canada from the UK in the 80's is what the whole debacle is based on. It has been a very good story, and everyone is eating it up, but let's get real. BSE is everywhere in the world. Testing finds it. How many cattle were tested for BSE in the 60's or 70's ------ none. The whole epidemic infectious paranoia theory has been very useful for those who choose to take advantage of it, but cannon fodder ranchers have felt the brunt all over the world. And as much as some American ranchers feel they are immuned to problems from BSE, the day will come. No rancher is immune, not in Mexico, Brazil, the USA, or anywhere in the world. If testing is done, it will occur, and as long as we all follow the reader(the seconds) of the world and their paranoid infectious theory, ranchers will suffer.

Time to seach out the cause, instead of following one theory which has never been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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