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~SH~
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Quote: "Could you please elaborate on this? I see a few holes".
1. Domestic demand is very high.
2. Cattle prices are very high.
1. Domestic demand has backed off from it's peak. Retail beef prices got too high so consumers switched to poultry and pork like they usually do.
2. Cattle prices would be higher with normalized trade because we would be marketing the chuck and round better than we can market them domestically. Did you forget about the $117 fat cattle prices we had? Where are they now? $90s!
South Devon: "I dont want your beef, my neighbor doesn't want your beef, joe at the grecery store doesn't want your beef, the packers do, because they can buy it cheaper than they can buy ours for. As soon as there is a manditory COOL you foot will be planted firmly in your mouth. When that happens you see that consumers want high quality, great tasting, DISEASE FREE american beef."
Canada's beef is disease free and R-CULT's lie to the contrary will not hold water. 99% of the opportunity for disease tranmissal is removed with the SRMs. Your dog won't hunt!
If we had "M"COOL, Canada would take R-CULT's trade barrier club and beat them over the head with it because "MAPLE LEAF BEEF" would be a novelty item. Same way New Zealand beef outsold U.S. beef in certain stores.
This attitude that U.S. beef is better than Canadian is based on pure arrogance and ignorance.
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~SH~
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Hat,
This is about truth vs. lies. This is not about Canada vs. the U.S.
My only motive is the truth and you will not contradict anything that I present because I have done the research.
I don't have any time for R-CULT because they lie.
Their biggest lie is in regards to the safety of Canadian beef.
Can't you understand the consequences of lying about the safety of Canadian cattle and beef when we have assumed the exact same precautionary measures they have????
Either these measures assure beef safety for everyone or they don't.
I know you have been spoon fed this LMA/R-CULT bullsh*t for so long that you believe it but there is no truth in R-CULT's lies about the safety of Canadian cattle and beef.
It's indefensible. What a sad day that so many fail to understand the consequences for those lies.
~SH~
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Tam
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| well, if the border was closed at the time that damn downer (CANADIAN) cow was found in washington, we would still be trading with japan, and global demand would still be high. Anyway, the border is closed, we can control the spread of disease in OUR country, and there are still countries that want our beef. Result : American prices are high, Canadian prices are low. I think you hae it backwards. |
First, of all southdevon the Washington cow wasn't a downer go back and look at the later USDA press releases again. Second, she was imported years before BSE was found in Canada, along with millions of other cattle, so the closed border had nothing to do with her. Third if all that mattered was that she was Canadian then why are your exports still closed. You say countries still want your beef, again why are your exports still closed she was proven to be Canadian wasn't she? American prices are high because you have a shortage of cattle and there is an increase in Demand because of the Atkins diet. The shortage has also packing plants to close which has cut the competition on the cattle you do have. The Demand for beef may have peaked as the prices have gotten to high and the consumers are switching to other proteins like Chicken and pork. Canadian prices are low because we have a lack of slaughter capacity but that is changeing now as one of the closed US plants is being dismanteled and moved to Canada isn't it? Canada is also working on export markets other than the US and are having some success.
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| As soon as there is a manditory COOL you foot will be planted firmly in your mouth. When that happens you see that consumers want high quality, great tasting, DISEASE FREE american beef. |
When you get MCOOL how will you prove the label. You have no way of guaranteeing where the cattle in the US are actually from do you? Remember the millions of cattle imported to the US over the years. Also don't forget you have no national ID system working yet.
What happens if you get MCOOL and the US finds a case of BSE, then will the consumers eat your beef or Aussie beef as they haven't found BSE there?
According to Sandhusker a person can't say that Canadian beef is safe if they don't know everything there is to know about BSE. According to R-CALF there are way to many unknowns about BSE to trust Canadian beef. So wouldn't that be the same about the US beef. In light of the fact that BSE was found within your borders and in your food chain you can't deny it exsists in the US altogether. Do we know enough to say that if one BSE cow was imported no others were? Do we know enough that would guarantee that those cows couldn't have caused a US born problem? Do we know enough to say that the cattle and feed imported from the UK did not cause a problem in the US even though it did in most of the other countries that also imported from the UK? You have a very weak case on which you are claiming your beef is "high quality, great tasting, DISEASE FREE american beef" And I hope you will not be chewing on your foot when this is all said and done.
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frasercattleco
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Here's some fuel for the fire:
Number 1. I am an R-CALF member, not radical.
Number 2. I am a rancher in Southern Montana
Number 3. Why has Canada closed its borders to US imports?
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Shelly
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| What?????
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frasercattleco
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly.
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Tam
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| frasercattleco wrote: |
Number 3. Why has Canada closed its borders to US imports? |
I would like you to clarify this question. to what extent do you think we closed the border? As Canada has never had a full ban on the US like the US has had on Canada.
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John in Ontario
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: Canada Importing U.S. beef |
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In repy to the question about Canada not allowing U.S. beef in,
1 We are allowing any product that can go south to go north.
2 Canadian Cattle have been much cheaper than U.S. cattle, and there are more cattle than the Canadian market requires so there is little econmic reason to import.
3 With the many trade disputes we have with the U.S. we shouldn't be importing anything from the U.S. or allowing you to have our energy, or ship our energy from alaska down to the U.S. If you want to be treated well, you only get what you give.
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frasercattleco
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| My mistake, Canada has placed "Partial Restrictions on US cattle and beef products." Sorry, mis-worded.
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frasercattleco
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John,
The alaska pipeline is owned and operated by Alyeska Pipeline Service Company an American company, and if the Canadian government tried to get in between Big Oil companies and their oil the reprecussions would be massive. I dont like big oil companies at all, but messing with them, lawsuits, litigations, and miles and miles of red tape would come on swift wings my friend.
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