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Jinglebob Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5974 Location: Western South Dakota
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: update on saddle |
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Here's some of what I did the other day, on the saddle.
Here's a view of the skirts, upside down, so I can fill in the places where I "blocked" in the bars of the tree. One is almost done. I glue thick pieces in to fill up the spots that got hammered down, so that there will be a smooth line, from top of skirts to bottom, against the horses back. I make sure all of these pieces fit tight and smooth, so as not to create bumps.
Here the skirt is done and it and the woolskin are both smeared with glue. When the glue dries, I put the skirt onto the wool hide and pound and press it down, to make a good contact. After that, I cut the skirt and woolskin out and trim and sew the hide to the skirt.
Top and bottom view, after the hide is glued onto the skirts. Ready to be sewed.
Here's a press my friends sent me, with hole punches mounted on it, so I can cut the holes for the adjusment buckles, on the stirrup leathers. With this tool, all of the holes stay the same distance apart. These have double holes, so there is more adjustments, on the stirrup leathers.
They used to lace these and some cowboys still like them that way, as then other people are less apt to "borrow" your saddle, cuz it takes too much work to make the stirrup leather fit a different person.
Here's the saddle on my drawdown stand, getting the stirrup leathers, turned and stretched. There is a screw jack in the front of it and I can real put a stretch on these, so they stay turned and are less apt to strech on the side you get up on the horse on , more than the other side.
Hope you enjoyed theses. 
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ranchwife Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 3994 Location: ennis, montana
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Jinglebob Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5974 Location: Western South Dakota
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ranchwife wrote: |
Ya know, JB....my birthday was the first of march, so better late than never, huh??? By the way, you don't have to worry about wrapping 'er up pretty for me, just let me know when you expect it in the mail!!!  |
When I expect it in the mail. Maybe you better go back and re-read, what you wrote!
Shoot, I plumb forgot, your hubby wanted it to be a surprize!
The guy I'm building it for is gonn'a be reaaalll disapointed, too!
I sure would take an order from you tho'. Might even have it done for your next birthday!

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Faster horses Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 19605 Location: SE MT
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting, JB. I really like your carving (flowers). Beautiful
I was wondering if it is getting hard to buy woolskin for the lining.
I see many factory saddles (I know, that's a bad word) have
imitation wool. Of course, there is nothing like real wool, but I
wondered if it was expensive or hard to get?
My husbands hand made saddle really caused the saddle blanket to
slip when it was new. We took it to the saddlemaker and he changed the wool and the blankets held after that. So, it must be possible to put
the wool in wrong? (I'm asking)~
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Jinglebob Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5974 Location: Western South Dakota
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Faster horses wrote: |
Very interesting, JB. I really like your carving (flowers). Beautiful
I was wondering if it is getting hard to buy woolskin for the lining.
I see many factory saddles (I know, that's a bad word) have
imitation wool. Of course, there is nothing like real wool, but I
wondered if it was expensive or hard to get?
My husbands hand made saddle really caused the saddle blanket to
slip when it was new. We took it to the saddlemaker and he changed the wool and the blankets held after that. So, it must be possible to put
the wool in wrong? (I'm asking)~ |
Thank you, glad you like the carving. I did some more today but haven't taken any pictures yet. Maybe is you ask reeeaaaal nice.
The wool is supposed to keep the blankets from slipping. I feel that if there is quite a little rock to the bars in the tree, that will happen more often, but rock is good.
I don't know what the feller did to your husbands saddle, but if he changed it and it helped, he must have known what he was doing.
Supposedly, if you don't run the skin the same direction as the bars, it will slip. Ther saddle should be going the same direction as the sheep, the wool hide came off from.
Good wool hides right now are about $75 a hide. I have no idea what the imitation costs, never have used it.
When we were in Billings, we went to a museum where they were having an exhibit of Will James drawings, paintings and some of his stuff. He had a saddle that was made at Connoleys(sp) in Billings. It had carpet underneath the saddle instead of wool. Must have been made in the thirtes or there abouts, from the style.
The wool provides a very slight amount of padding, but is primarily to keep the blankets from slipping. But whenever I've ridden a barebones saddle, that has no skirts or wool, I've never had much problem with the pad or blanket slipping. Of course, I've always used a felt pad or a felt pad and a Navajo together.
Lots to learn in theis business and always something new.
And I'm pretty new at it. I've only been working with leather for 35 years or so. And most of that time, just kind of in the fall winter. I sure ain't no expert. 
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Hanta Yo Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 3641 Location: South Central Montana
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Jinglebob Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5974 Location: Western South Dakota
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brandinspector Member

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 17 Location: Central ND
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Jinglebob. You do nice work.
We've got four custom slick forks in my family and they all have the Blevins buckle twisted to keep the stirrups hanging right. Noticed you didn't do this. Do you have any thoughts on this? GA
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Jinglebob Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5974 Location: Western South Dakota
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| brandinspector wrote: |
Hello Jinglebob. You do nice work.
We've got four custom slick forks in my family and they all have the Blevins buckle twisted to keep the stirrups hanging right. Noticed you didn't do this. Do you have any thoughts on this? GA |
I don't use blevins. I use superior and they are just little bitty pieces that cover the posts. Blevins are bigger and bulkier. I always try to eliminate anything that adds weight. Less pounds for the horse to pack and the rider to throw on the horse.
When you put the twist in, you have to move the buckles up and they can create a lump, that can press against your leg.
If I'm going to put tapadero's on, I will advise the customer, that they probavly should have the twist. But for just plain stirrups, I don't think they are needed in this climate, as I put enough stretch on them that they seem to stay good. But I will biuld what ever the customewr wants, as long as it won't cause a problem and I know it just won't work.
I had a customer who wanted a lot of rise in the front of his ground seat, when i built his saddle. it worked for him for awhile, but he brought it back the other day and we took it all back out. He's a little bigger than when I built the saddle, so after we did this, it fit him a lot better. He seems to really like it now. I should have just put in the regular graoundseat to begin with, but the customer is always right and you live and learn.
I have put the twist on a couple of my own saddles and I've always gone in and taken them out, later as they seemed to push against my ankle and I couldn't get used to it. But I'm going to put the twist in my new one, as it will have a pair of 24 to 26 inch tapadero's, for workin' cattle in the fall and winter riding. And this time, I'll get used to it!LOL
Glad you like the work. Do you ride your slickforks with bucking rolls or without?
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Soapweed Rancher

Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 12096 Location: northern Nebraska Sandhills
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| brandinspector wrote: |
Hello Jinglebob. You do nice work.
We've got four custom slick forks in my family and they all have the Blevins buckle twisted to keep the stirrups hanging right. Noticed you didn't do this. Do you have any thoughts on this? GA |
I don't use blevins. I use superior and they are just little bitty pieces that cover the posts. Blevins are bigger and bulkier. I always try to eliminate anything that adds weight. Less pounds for the horse to pack and the rider to throw on the horse.
When you put the twist in, you have to move the buckles up and they can create a lump, that can press against your leg.
If I'm going to put tapadero's on, I will advise the customer, that they probavly should have the twist. But for just plain stirrups, I don't think they are needed in this climate, as I put enough stretch on them that they seem to stay good. But I will biuld what ever the customewr wants, as long as it won't cause a problem and I know it just won't work.
I had a customer who wanted a lot of rise in the front of his ground seat, when i built his saddle. it worked for him for awhile, but he brought it back the other day and we took it all back out. He's a little bigger than when I built the saddle, so after we did this, it fit him a lot better. He seems to really like it now. I should have just put in the regular graoundseat to begin with, but the customer is always right and you live and learn.
I have put the twist on a couple of my own saddles and I've always gone in and taken them out, later as they seemed to push against my ankle and I couldn't get used to it. But I'm going to put the twist in my new one, as it will have a pair of 24 to 26 inch tapadero's, for workin' cattle in the fall and winter riding. And this time, I'll get used to it!LOL
Glad you like the work. Do you ride your slickforks with bucking rolls or without? |
Nice saddle in the making, Jinglebob. It tickles me somewhat, that you leave off Blevins buckles because you "try to eliminate anything that adds weight. Less pounds for the horse to pack and the rider to throw on the horse." And yet a bit later you say, "But I'm going to put the twist in my new one, as it will have a pair of 24 to 26 inch tapadero's, for workin' cattle in the fall and winter riding. And this time, I'll get used to it!"
Forgive my tongue-in-cheek good humored disrespect, but isn't this rather incongrous? At best, those old 24-26 inch tapederoes are HEAVY, and at worst, you'll look like a displaced Mexican LOL. Now for warmth and function, wouldn't a set of monkey-nose taps serve the same purpose and be a whole lot lighter. The trouble is, they probably wouldn't look as cool. Just funnin' ya. Do whatever you think best.
P.S. Hope this doesn't get me kicked off of your dinner list. 
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brandinspector Member

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 17 Location: Central ND
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: |
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We do have one set of those strap-ons around here somewhere. I've never used them. Never was any good at riding bucking horses.
I've always got a piece of rope or a breast collar tug strap through the gullet that I reach for if things go south (and sometimes even if they may!).
Had some more ground seat removed from my saddle after riding it a while as well. Made a big difference.
The first saddle we got was from Bridger Creek Outfitters in Montana. Think the connection was made through an ad in the Western Horseman. Haven't seen anything for a long time on them.
Anybody know anything about them?
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Jinglebob Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 5974 Location: Western South Dakota
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Forgive my tongue-in-cheek good humored disrespect, but isn't this rather incongrous? At best, those old 24-26 inch tapederoes are HEAVY, and at worst, you'll look like a displaced Mexican LOL. Now for warmth and function, wouldn't a set of monkey-nose taps serve the same purpose and be a whole lot lighter. The trouble is, they probably wouldn't look as cool. Just funnin' ya. Do whatever you think best.
P.S. Hope this doesn't get me kicked off of your dinner list.  |
Thats it, your off the list!
You are ctrrect sir, in the fact that they will make the saddle heavier, but even with them on, they will still be lighter than that nasty ol' rig of yours! And I know, as I picked it up when I was at your place.
But the truth is, with the long flaps, you can really use them as a sorting stick of sorts, when sorting cattle. They hang at just the right height to be in a calfs face. And I will have two pair of stirrups, so I can take them off and put regular ones on.
After listening to your WONDERFUL ( ) advice, now I think maybe I'll make a smaller pair, just for winter riding. Thanks ol' buddy!
OK, if your going to cry, your back on the list!
Along with Dis and Stevec.

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