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Tommy
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 Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: Japan and USDA |
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Heard this morning on AgriTalk that USDA says Canada border opening has nothing to do with getting market back with Japan. The man said that the two are not linked and never had been linked.
I thought Scott, agman, and others have been telling us otherwise?
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SASH
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| The man said that the two are not linked and never had been linked. |
What 'man' would this be? Just because some 'guy' said it doesn't necessarily mean its true.
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Tommy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Sash...What 'man' would this be? Just because some 'guy' said it doesn't necessarily mean its true.
I said I heard it on AgriTalk. Mike Adams, the host, was talking to people from the USDA. I did not catch his name, but he works for the USDA. But I will find out his name and title at the USDA and you can check him out yourself Sash.
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Murgen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Tommy, could you go one step further and get the man's name in Japan, like to hear his opinion. all we've seen from the Japanese so far is 'action" or lack of!
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PORKER
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: Lots of BSE testing SUPPORT |
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Industry Question
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Do you support mandatory testing for all cattle for BSE?
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Yes 71.9%
No 28.1%
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Total: 900 votes
POLL found in the ALBERTA BEEF Mag. . It would read the same if the BSE was found here in the states if that much BSE showed up.
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Tommy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The man's name is Floyd Gabler, Deputy Undersecretary for Farm and Foreign Agriculture at the USDA. He stated that getting the Japan market back was in no way tied to the opening of the Canadian border to live cattle. They were two seperate issues.
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Murgen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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The man's name is Floyd Gabler, Deputy Undersecretary for Farm and Foreign Agriculture at the USDA. He stated that getting the Japan market back was in no way tied to the opening of the Canadian border to live cattle. They were two seperate issues.
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So, if that's the case then obviously the Japanese see this continent as two separate cases. The US's one case and then the three of Canada's.
If they saw them as being different they would also discount the case in the US as being Canada's and be done with it!
Things that make you go Hmmmm!
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Mike
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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The man's name is Floyd Gabler, Deputy Undersecretary for Farm and Foreign Agriculture at the USDA. He stated that getting the Japan market back was in no way tied to the opening of the Canadian border to live cattle. They were two seperate issues.
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So, if that's the case then obviously the Japanese see this continent as two separate cases. The US's one case and then the three of Canada's.
If they saw them as being different they would also discount the case in the US as being Canada's and be done with it!
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Murgen, If you count the Washington cow, you have to count the 1993 cow imported from England that was in Canada and tested positive. You guys keep forgetting the one that probably got you in trouble to start with.
Another thing that makes you go Hmmmm
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SASH
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| He stated that getting the Japan market back was in no way tied to the opening of the Canadian border to live cattle. They were two seperate issues. |
Is this in the eyes of the USDA or in the eyes of Japan. If you are saying that opening the border to Canadian cattle and trying to export cattle to Japan are two separate issues, I agree. If you are saying that you think you can open the Japanese market without opening the Canadian border, I doubt it. Japan has already told us that when the border is opened to US beef, it will be opened to Canadian beef with the same rules. Therefore, they see the US and Canada as one market. So the more R-CALF keeps telling them North American beef is dangerous, the longer it will take to open the Japanese market. Good Luck.
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Murgen
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Murgen, If you count the Washington cow, you have to count the 1993 cow imported from England that was in Canada and tested positive. You guys keep forgetting the one that probably got you in trouble to start with.
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Sorry Mike, you're right, I did forget about all the cows that were imported into North America from the UK. In Canada we traced all those cows and slaughtered them, unfortunately one got into the feed system before the feed ban! Looking at the way this BSE occurs, it's probable that only one cow is infected per herd.
I wonder if all the cows imported from the UK at the same time into North america were found?
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Mike
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Murgen, If you count the Washington cow, you have to count the 1993 cow imported from England that was in Canada and tested positive. You guys keep forgetting the one that probably got you in trouble to start with.
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Sorry Mike, you're right, I did forget about all the cows that were imported into North America from the UK. In Canada we traced all those cows and slaughtered them, unfortunately one got into the feed system before the feed ban! Looking at the way this BSE occurs, it's probable that only one cow is infected per herd.
I wonder if all the cows imported from the UK at the same time into North america were found? |
Yep, they went into registered herds where there is traditionally better records. Was reading about that the other day. Some are still alive and being used for research.
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Murgen
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| I read the same thing about some of these animals being held for "research". Makes one wonder how secretive research is and whether an animal has to be alive or dead to be included in this top secret "research"?
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