Japan and USDA

[Tommy]

Sash... Japan has already told us that when the border is opened to US beef, it will be opened to Canadian beef with the same rules.

Hmmmm, with the same rules? If the Japan market gets opened to the US it will be with beef from 20 months and under, and only beef not live cattle.

My only point in starting this thread was that we have been told by a lot of people on here that our getting trade resumed with Japan is tied to the
opening of the Canada border. The USDA says this is not so. Is this a big lie that is being spread?

[SASH]

The 'man' said they are two different issues. I agree. However, telling the Japanese to open their borders to your beef when you won't open to Canadian beef when they see all of North American as one market is not going to work. By doing what you are doing now, you are basically stating that the way the beef is processed in the US must be suspect because you are allowing in boxed beef but won't allow finished cattle to process yourself. Also, it seems you are asking Japan to follow the 'best science' and you are not doing it yourself? Good Luck.

[~SH~]

Tommy: "My only point in starting this thread was that we have been told by a lot of people on here that our getting trade resumed with Japan is tied to the opening of the Canada border. The USDA says this is not so. Is this a big lie that is being spread?"

Japan will ultimately determine that Tommy. Not a single person from USDA with an opinion that may have been taken out of context by someone like you who is desperately looking for a contradiction.

All you have to do is not be blind to the facts.

1. We had BSE in the U.S. that came from a Canadian cow
2. We have Canadian cattle in our system and have traded cattle with Canada for years.
3. We have taken the exact same BSE precautionary measures as Canada has.
4. We are currently taking boxed beef from Canada but not cattle.

To suggest that these factors would not influence Japan's decision is to suggest that Japan is not aware of these factors.

Now what do you think the chances of that are?????

Just use your head Tommy and quit looking for anything that supports your R-CULT bias.

Japan doesn't have to make an official position on this issue to understand the obvious.



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[Sandhusker]

SH, "Not a single person from USDA with an opinion that may have been taken out of context by someone like you who is desperately looking for a contradiction. "

A contradiction? What USDA statement is bring contradicted?

[~SH~]

Sandhusker: "What USDA statement is bring contradicted?"

Nobody said a USDA statement was "bring" contradicted.

Fat fingers? LOL!


~SH~

[Sandhusker]

[Tommy]

SH...Japan will ultimately determine that Tommy. Not a single person from USDA with an opinion that may have been taken out of context by someone like you who is desperately looking for a contradiction.

Scott I did not take him out of context and am not desperate. You, agman, the NCBA, and others have been telling us for a long time that our getting the market back with Japan is tied to our dealing with Canada.

Here is the direct quote...Mike Adams question...Any indication that that decision by the Japanese is contingent on our border decision with Canada, in other words do we have to open that border to Canada before we get access back with Japan?

Mr. Gabler's answer...NO..those two issues have never been linked and we're putting equal effort on trying to achieve openings with both, they are not linked and are not linked now.

Mr Gabler is speaking for the USDA Scott, you may know more about our trade negoiations than he does, but I doubt it.

[SASH]

I was talking to my Brother-In-Law in Japan the other night. He said that threatening trade sanctions against the Japanese was considered to be a big insult. By doing this, the US has probably delayed the border opening to Japan longer than it would have been otherwise.