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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject: R-calfers say it ain't so! Reply with quote

R-CALF taken to task over Canadian cattle
By Jim Gransbery, The Billings Gazette and Journal Staff

BILLINGS, Mont. - Some members of R-CALF USA, which opposes opening the U.S. border to Canadian cattle because of mad cow disease in that country, have bought and sold cattle in Canada since the border was closed in May 2003, according to a Canadian feedlot operator.

Rick Paskal, a feedlot operator in Lethbridge, Alberta, told the Canadian Press last week that "members (of R-CALF USA) recognized an economic opportunity for their own gain. They were absolutely not concerned about food safety."

He told the Billings Gazette that the R-CALF members were being hypocrites for playing both sides of the border.

R-CALF USA president Leo McDonnell Jr. of Columbus, Mont., called the criticism off base. "This is a red herring," McDonnell said. "Or there is something I am missing here."

McDonnell said R-CALF members have done business in Canada for years, as have other U.S. cattlemen who are not members of the Billings-based R-CALF USA, or Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund United Stockgrowers of America.

McDonnell said he did not see any contradiction in the actions of those members.

The U.S. border was closed to all Canadian cattle and beef after an Alberta cow was found with mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, in May 2003. Later that year, USDA relaxed the rules to allow importation of processed Canadian beef from animals younger than 30 months old.

A Washington state cow found with BSE in December 2003 was tracked to Alberta, and BSE was confirmed in two more Alberta cows this January.

R-CALF member Lloyd DeBruycker of Dutton said last Tuesday that he has about 150 head of feeder cattle in Canada.

He said he did not see any contradiction owning and selling cattle in Canada and opposing live imports.

DeBruycker said that last year, a Canadian packer refused to slaughter the cattle he had in a Canadian feedlot. He said the packer refused not only because he was a member of R-CALF but because "they were not killing for any Americans."

Norm Haaland, a Billings feedlot operator, said that last May, he had to sell his fed steers in Canada to another feeder at "half of their market." The cattle were eventually sold and slaughtered. He has no cattle in Canada now, he said.

Haaland said he found no contradiction on those cattle going into the beef market, with at least some of it coming south as boxed beef.

"They should have been glad we were up there," he said.

Both DeBruycker and Haaland have donated money to R-CALF and its legal efforts.

Haaland said he had given less than $10,000. DeBruycker said his family had given more than $10,000.

"Not just for the suit, but for their overall use," he said. "We have given $1 a head for the cattle we own, just like the beef check-off. R-CALF has done a tremendous job of getting the grassroots opinions out.

"I hope the government and USDA start paying attention to the people, the ranchers, out in the country," he said.

Tom Lane, a rancher and cattle buyer in Livingston, said he has traded cattle in Canada in the past but doesn't have cattle there now.

"We contracted for some yearlings last summer, but we did not get them because the border did not open."

Lane related a confrontation he had last summer with a Canadian producer at a sale yard in Lethbridge.

"I had an R-CALF sticker on my pickup," Lane said. "This guy really got in my face, and it almost came to blows." Lane's wife is Canadian, and they were in Canada visiting her family, he said. Lane said he has donated about $1,200 to R-CALF.

Ken Knuppe of Buffalo Gap, S.D., president of the South Dakota Stockgrowers Association, said he doesn't know anything directly about the issue but that he doesn't see an economic benefit from owning cattle in Canada.

Knuppe said anyone who owns cattle in Canada now must sell them to packers in Canada at the lower prices they bring in that country. He said any beef processed from the animals brought to the United States would be shipped in and sold by the meatpackers.

The South Dakota Stockgrowers Association is affiliated with R-CALF.

R-CALF earlier this month persuaded a federal judge to issue a preliminary injunction preventing the U.S. Department of Agriculture from opening the border as planned March 7 to Canadian live cattle younger than 30 months old.

During the court hearing, a Justice Department attorney for the Justice Department representing the USDA acknowledged that the amount of boxed, de-boned muscle cuts coming into the United States since August 2003 was 96 percent of the trade that existed before the border was closed.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Norm Haaland, a Billings feedlot operator, said that last May, he had to sell his fed steers in Canada to another feeder at "half of their market."


Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Geez, let me get out my violin.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Norm Haaland, a Billings feedlot operator, said that last May, he had to sell his fed steers in Canada to another feeder at "half of their market."


Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Geez, let me get out my violin.


Cry Perhaps a little cheese to go with the whine...as well


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was not that long ago that the R-Calf supporters on this site asked WHERE IS THE PROOF, PROVE IT, YOU HAVE NO PROOF that R-Calf members owned any cattle on feed in Canada.

What say you now?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally- I hope them fellows learned a lesson... Maybe next time they will spend their money with US cattlemen that appreciate when they inject money into the market, rather than Canadian cattlemen that cry and whine about it........


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OT- if they would have made a profit on those cattle, you would have been elated, because they would have put their profits back into the US cattle industry. Don't you wish they had had that opportunity?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimer wrote:
Personally- I hope them fellows learned a lesson... Maybe next time they will spend their money with US cattlemen that appreciate when they inject money into the market, rather than Canadian cattlemen that cry and whine about it........


a lot of r- calfer whining And crying going on here OT ...sucks to be on the receiving end eh boys.




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Bill=DeBruycker said that last year, a Canadian packer refused to slaughter the cattle he had in a Canadian feedlot. He said the packer refused not only because he was a member of R-CALF but because "they were not killing for any Americans."



So what we are supposed to feel sorry for a guy that had to wait in line for the packers like just everyone else.. Question .

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Norm Haaland, a Billings feedlot operator, said that last May, he had to sell his fed steers in Canada to another feeder at "half of their market."

"They should have been glad we were up there," he said.



Whos whining here Ot ,what a shame he had to play the market like everyone else..

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bill=Lane related a confrontation he had last summer with a Canadian producer at a sale yard in Lethbridge.

"I had an R-CALF sticker on my pickup," Lane said. "This guy really got in my face, and it almost came to blows


Just what did this man expect ....WELCOME WAGON ...


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murgen wrote:
OT- if they would have made a profit on those cattle, you would have been elated, because they would have put their profits back into the US cattle industry. Don't you wish they had had that opportunity?



I bet they think twice before investing in cattle in a foreign country again... I'm glad to see the word being spread about the inequities and liabilities of foreign investments.....


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimer wrote:
Murgen wrote:
OT- if they would have made a profit on those cattle, you would have been elated, because they would have put their profits back into the US cattle industry. Don't you wish they had had that opportunity?



I bet they think twice before investing in cattle in a foreign country again... I'm glad to see the word being spread about the inequities and liabilities of foreign investments.....


Funny you should mention inequities as that is exactly what your much praised R-Calf peers tried to take advantage of in this case. An inequity they perpetuated but at least now you have the PROOF oldtimer. Pretty hard to dispute when it is out of a Montana paper isn't it.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OT- Maybe even the R-calf members will notice about foriegn investment when it comes to others buying american "products" I don't hear the australians crying about other countries buying "in"


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Murgen wrote:
OT- if they would have made a profit on those cattle, you would have been elated, because they would have put their profits back into the US cattle industry. Don't you wish they had had that opportunity?



I bet they think twice before investing in cattle in a foreign country again... I'm glad to see the word being spread about the inequities and liabilities of foreign investments.....


Funny you should mention inequities as what that is exactly what your much praised R-Calf peers did in this case. Tried to take advantage of an inequity they perpetuated. At least now you have the PROOF oldtimer. Pretty hard to dispute when it is out of a Montana paper isn't it.


Bill- its old news-- been known for quite some time down here- thing is as it was not felt to be that big of deal- not by me anyway... Not like it was Leo or Bill- or that it was R-CALF funds used--None named are officials of R-CALF- some NCBA members did the same thing along with Farm Bureau and Farmers Union members-groups that also have opposed the border opening-- same as some who own Canadian cattle are Republicans and some are Democrats- might even be an Independant or a Greenparty member...

Its being pushed now again by Paskal and the boys because of the current law suit and border questions.... But did you ever ask Paskal why he or any of the other Canadian cattlemen sold to these vile, evil people that put money into the Canadian market? Does Canada not want any US money invested in buying their cattle - period?

I just hope more of these feeders and big money investors behind these feedlots learn how much safer it is to invest in US cattle, rather than play the game of gambling with foreign cattle in foreign lots......


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimer wrote:
Bill- its old news-- been known for quite some time down here- thing is as it was not felt to be that big of deal- not by me anyway... Not like it was Leo or Bill- or that it was R-CALF funds used--None named are officials of R-CALF- some NCBA members did the same thing along with Farm Bureau and Farmers Union members-groups that also have opposed the border opening-- same as some who own Canadian cattle are Republicans and some are Democrats- might even be an Independant or a Greenparty member...


Oldtimer, we have to keep you honest here. Where did you come across the information about the NCBA, FB, and FU members? Or did it just float across the keyboard? Smile


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