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Does the Canadian cattle man care about CAPTIVE SUPPLY?
yes they do.
29%
 29%  [ 5 ]
no they dont
70%
 70%  [ 12 ]
Total Votes : 17

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HAY MAKER
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: CANADIAN CATTLE MEN Reply with quote
How many Canadian Cattle men cared about Captive supply before the border closed?...........How many care about captive supply now?.....................good luck
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
How does one answer that with a yes or no ?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well MR HAYMAKER I'm not voting until you explain to us what Captive supply is. We wouldn't want to vote on something if we weren't sure what you mean.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Haymaker, Could you define(in your own words) "captive supply" for me ,please?

I want to know exactly what it is before I vote on it.

Thanks in advance! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
TimH wrote:
Haymaker, Could you define(in your own words) "captive supply" for me ,please?

I want to know exactly what it is before I vote on it.

Thanks in advance! Laughing


CAPTIVE SUPPLY IN MY OWN WORDS"CATTLE THAT ARE OWNED AND OR CONTROLLED BY PACKERS TO MANIPULATE THE MARKETS".................good luck
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Haymaker-"CAPTIVE SUPPLY IN MY OWN WORDS"CATTLE THAT ARE OWNED AND OR CONTROLLED BY PACKERS TO MANIPULATE THE MARKETS".................good luck"

Thats a pretty broad definition,Haymaker, as packers end up owning virtually ALL slaughter cattle at some point,if you think about it.
Could you be a little more specific on exactly which cattle you are talking about, and how long the packers own them etc.?? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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CATTLE THAT ARE OWNED AND OR CONTROLLED BY PACKERS TO MANIPULATE THE MARKETS"


I need you to take off your farmers cap and start thinking like a business man. If you are a packer and you need say 50,000 head a month to keep your slaughter plant running, there would be alot of risk at showing up at the auction or buying from the feedlot and hoping you have 50,000 head at the end of every month. What if there are not 50,000 head available when you want them. This would lead to sporadic shutdowns of your plant and alot of scrambling to find cattle to try and keep your plant running. Unless you have a supplier that says to you, I will deliver fifty thousand head at the beginning of every month you are SOL. The packers buy cattle to give themselves a cushion. If there are 70,000 fed cattle available, they will buy those so that they have them when they come to a month where there are only 30,000 head available. They could do this through the futures market just as easily but there usually are not enough futures contracts for them to fill their needs. I've said for a long time that we as producers need to build the supply side and guarantee delivery of these 50,000 head through a single marketing body that would guarantee a certain base price to producers and feedlot owners alike with a bonus paid after grading. If we don't get ahold of the supply side of this equation, the packers will develop their own system and eventually we will al just be packer employees. Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: CANADIAN CATTLE MEN Reply with quote
HAY MAKER wrote:
How many Canadian Cattle men cared about Captive supply before the border closed?...........How many care about captive supply now?.....................good luck


Believe I will answer my question,myself.How many canadian cattle men cared about captive supply before the border closed? NOT VERY MANY.
How many care about captive supply now? A HELLUVA LOT...........good luck
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How many care about captive supply now? A HELLUVA LOT...........good luck


You must be interpreting the results of your poll alot different than I am .
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How many care about captive supply now? A HELLUVA LOT...........good luck


You must be interpreting the results of your poll alot different than I am .


sash thats not poll results ,thats my opinion,although I dont expect you hard headed canuckle heads to admit it,I believe you are getting a first hand look at captive supplies..............good luck
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Haymaker- "sash thats not poll results ,thats my opinion,although I dont expect you hard headed canuckle heads to admit it,I believe you are getting a first hand look at captive supplies..............good luck"


" hard headed canuckle heads " ?????????? Shocked Shocked

Whatever you say there, HAY-MENSA!!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
TimH wrote:
Haymaker- "sash thats not poll results ,thats my opinion,although I dont expect you hard headed canuckle heads to admit it,I believe you are getting a first hand look at captive supplies..............good luck"


" hard headed canuckle heads " ?????????? Shocked Shocked

Whatever you say there, HAY-MENSA!!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing



Don't worry there HAY-MENSA-- Your predictions are as good as those NCBA paid beancounters that told us for 20 years that this free trade was going to raise cattle prices-- They were only right about 2 out of 20 times-- and not even close to what R-CALF said would happen if we weren't taking in imports from every little country that came along... Will be hard to convince most cattlemen that its in their best interest to go back to the day of $20 cull cows............
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