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Manitoba_Rancher
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Murgen
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Location: Ontario
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| Heard R-calf sponsored Cebulls fishing yacht. Even has the sign SS R-calf on the side |
Say hi to Gilligan, Mr. Cebull!
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Tam
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Sask
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The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple...
Even Judge Cebull in his ruling was incensed over the fact that the imported Canadian beef is mixed with domestic and the consumer has no way of knowing if what they are eating came from Canada or the US...That is what gave some in the courthouse the feeling that if asked- he will sign another injunction to stop all Canadian imports...
Could have been easily taken care of if the packers, supported by USDA and NCBA, weren't so bent on deceiving the consumer-- we would have MCOOL.........And one much stronger than the one on the books today....
OT, Does the judge also state that he recieved a considerable amount of cash to make this ruling in R-calfs favor? No way in hell can one man make a ruling against a government agency in a few hours. Believe me I have already talked to a few lawyers about it and they said he already had his mind made up before he precided over the case. |
I really doubt that he was paid off-- not that type of person and already is pretty well off- can retire with pay for life..... The fact that you forget is that he had filings and briefs that both USDA and R-CALF had filed weeks and months in advance... He had a long time to read these and research these and the law.... That is how the majority of federal cases are handled...Much of the proceedings are done with filed briefs and depositions rather than live witness's-- this is done to expedite hearings and trials...... |
Tell us Oldtimer if he really did want to see the whole true why didn't he allow the Friend of the court briefs that were asked for. Could they have change his decision and maybe some of the comments he had already typed up and didn't want to change so it didn't look as if he had already made up his mind?
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Oldtimer
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Northeast Montana
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Manitoba_Rancher wrote: |
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The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple...
Even Judge Cebull in his ruling was incensed over the fact that the imported Canadian beef is mixed with domestic and the consumer has no way of knowing if what they are eating came from Canada or the US...That is what gave some in the courthouse the feeling that if asked- he will sign another injunction to stop all Canadian imports...
Could have been easily taken care of if the packers, supported by USDA and NCBA, weren't so bent on deceiving the consumer-- we would have MCOOL.........And one much stronger than the one on the books today....
OT, Does the judge also state that he recieved a considerable amount of cash to make this ruling in R-calfs favor? No way in hell can one man make a ruling against a government agency in a few hours. Believe me I have already talked to a few lawyers about it and they said he already had his mind made up before he precided over the case. |
I really doubt that he was paid off-- not that type of person and already is pretty well off- can retire with pay for life..... The fact that you forget is that he had filings and briefs that both USDA and R-CALF had filed weeks and months in advance... He had a long time to read these and research these and the law.... That is how the majority of federal cases are handled...Much of the proceedings are done with filed briefs and depositions rather than live witness's-- this is done to expedite hearings and trials...... |
Tell us Oldtimer if he really did want to see the whole true why didn't he allow the Friend of the court briefs that were asked for. Could they have change his decision and maybe some of the comments he had already typed up and didn't want to change so it didn't look as if he had already made up his mind? |
Federal Judges usually stand for little BS--Kind of like old Jack Webb's "Just the facts lady"....They are nothing like the state courts which go into character witness's and days of testimony-- In this case he took the facts presented in briefs from the two contesting parties- went over them and the law briefs they submitted-- listened to an hour each of the attorneys oral arguments and made his decision... NORMAL way a federal judge operates... When it goes to trial he will look at further issues- but that said- federal courts usually only put up with and allow only about 1/2 of what state courts do.........
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~SH~
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Joined: 14 Feb 2005
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Location: South Western SD
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Sandblaster: "To the best of my knowledge, R-CALF has never said what they would think to accepting tested beef."
Bwahahaha!
"what they would think to"
BILL CLINTON HAS NOTHING ON THIS GUY FOR SLICK TALK!!!
You are so pathetic!
I'LL TAKE THAT AS A "NO" R-CULT WOULD NOT ACCEPT BSE TESTING OF UTM CATTLE FROM CANADA. AS EXPECTED! But Japan should embrace it! LOL!
FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP!
~SH~
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Mike
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Location: Montgomery, Al
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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SH:"I'LL TAKE THAT AS A "NO" R-CULT WOULD NOT ACCEPT BSE TESTING OF UTM CATTLE FROM CANADA. AS EXPECTED! But Japan should embrace it! LOL!"
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R-calf did endorse the Creekstone/USDA proposal that included shipping in feeder and fat Canadian cattle which would ultimately be tested for shipment to Japan. I don't think there was an age limitation in the proposal.
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~SH~
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Mike: "R-calf did endorse the Creekstone/USDA proposal that included shipping in feeder and fat Canadian cattle which would ultimately be tested for shipment to Japan."
Oh, I get it now, R-CULT supports Creekstone's right to import Canadian cattle and test them for the export market but they don't support Canada testing these same cattle and exporting them to the U.S.?
Makes perfect sense TO THEM!!!! LOL!
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Mike
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Mike: "R-calf did endorse the Creekstone/USDA proposal that included shipping in feeder and fat Canadian cattle which would ultimately be tested for shipment to Japan."
Oh, I get it now, R-CULT supports Creekstone's right to import Canadian cattle and test them for the export market but they don't support Canada testing these same cattle and exporting them to the U.S.?
Makes perfect sense TO THEM!!!! LOL!
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I don't like to get in these R-calf arguments but I am reasonably sure I read where they would go along with testing imports to us. Pretty sure it was last year when the border opened back up. Don't remember if there were ages mentioned. I'll look around.
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Sandhusker
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Murgen,"Mixing the issues of safety and trade is why there is a problem."
AMEN
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