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Sandhusker
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Pig Wrestling, part 5 Reply with quote

SH, " Sandman keeps suggesting that R-CALF is not against trade and continues to try to smooth over the Canadians with cheap talk yet ignores the fact that R-CALF flied a dumping case against Canada that they lost and called their beef "HIGH RISK" and "CONTAMINATED" in a Washington Post add and court documents."

My reply; Filing a dumping case does not mean you're anti-trade. The US Goverment has also filed anti-dumping cases - does that mean they are against trade as well?


SH, diverting from the topic of what filing an anti-dumping case might mean "You fool nobody. R-CALF wants to stop Canadian imports, period. That is not even debateable."

My reply; "Now you divert. Does filing anti-dumping cases really mean you are anti-trade? You don't like examples that show how foolish you are, do you?"


SH, "In R-CALF's case, yes! "

You see folks, SH has certain rules that only apply to R-CALF. R-CALF files an anti-dumping case and they are anti-trade. However, the same doesn't apply to anybody else.

Speaking of anti-trade, I pulled some press release headlines from R-CALF's website. Do these look like the releases from an outfit that is anti-trade?;
Korea FTA Could Provide Substantial Benefits to U.S. Cattle Producers
Cattle Producers Support Oman FTA in Testimony Before U.S. Senate Finance Committee
Trade Opportunities and Risks for 2006
Cattle Producers Urge Congress to Support Bahrain Free Trade Agreement

I get called a liar, deceiver, etc... on a near daily basis. I ask who is lying and deceiving?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker: Game, set, match. Good job.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, R-CALF supports Canadian imports, my mistake. LOL!

You successfully convinced me with your illusions.

Never mind the dumping case against Canada, never mind the injunction against USDA to stop Canadian imports, never mind Leo's comments about the economic impact of Canadian imports, never mind R-CALF's position on CAFTA, never mind Bullard's statements regarding not needing an export market.

You have convinced me that R-CALF supports trade. LOL!

What an illusionist.


Chief,

Great pom pom waves. Can you jump any higher?


~SH~


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get on folks about making deductions using one input for cattle prices (even when you do the same with captive supply), and then you do exactly the same thing on the topic of trade and R-CALF? You're a hypocrite or an idiot, I'll let the board decide.

SH, there's more than one country to trade with than Canada. You could take off your socks and count on your finges and toes, and you still could not count them all.

Japan won't take our beef, are they anti-trade? The US government has a trade embargo against several nations, are they anti-trade? Why not apply your standards evenly instead of picking and choosing?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandbag,

It's crunch time!

Should we continue to import cattle from Canada, YES OR NO???

Simple question that gets right to the heart of the issue.

Will you answer or will you divert. Stay tuned readers.



~SH~


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

~SH~ wrote:
Sandbag,

It's crunch time!

Should we continue to import cattle from Canada, YES OR NO???

Simple question that gets right to the heart of the issue.

Will you answer or will you divert. Stay tuned readers.



~SH~


You're diverting off the topic. If you want to talk about one country, start a new thread and I'll be happy to participate. This is about whether or not R-CALF is anti-trade or not. I've clearly shown them in favor of trading with other countries.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MORE DIVERSION!!!

Do you support Canadians being allowed to export cattle and boxed beef to the United States, YES OR NO???

Do you support Australians being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United States, YES OR NO???

Do you support New Zealand being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United Stated, YES OR NO???

Watch the circus chicken dance folks............

Answer the questions Sandbag!


~SH~


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

~SH~ wrote:
MORE DIVERSION!!!

Do you support Canadians being allowed to export cattle and boxed beef to the United States, YES OR NO???

Do you support Australians being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United States, YES OR NO???

Do you support New Zealand being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United Stated, YES OR NO???

Watch the circus chicken dance folks............

Answer the questions Sandbag!


~SH~


Why allow the USDA to give international packers comparative advantages over domestic packers?

Do you support the U.S. shipping beef to Japan and allowing Creekstone to do what the customer asks as far as providing for the safety requirements of the Japanese people? The USDA has already laid a lot of producer and domestic packer money on the table while allowing the price to be depressed because they haven't allowed the free market to work.

Why should producers pay for USDA mistakes while allowing international packers to recieve the benefits of trade? It only hurts domestic packers and will reduce competition for producer's to sell to.

I would really like small packers to succeed too.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

~SH~ wrote:
MORE DIVERSION!!!

Do you support Canadians being allowed to export cattle and boxed beef to the United States, YES OR NO???

Do you support Australians being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United States, YES OR NO???

Do you support New Zealand being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United Stated, YES OR NO???

Watch the circus chicken dance folks............

Answer the questions Sandbag!


~SH~


I told you to start a new thread if you want to change the topic. This thread is on whether or not R-CALF is against trade.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Sandbag: "I told you to start a new thread if you want to change the topic. This thread is on whether or not R-CALF is against trade."


DIVERSION!

My questions related directly to whether or not R-CALF supports trade. Your diversion is your "tell" again.

You won't incriminate yourself by committing to a black and white questions regarding trade so you dance. Your answers would be too revealing. Typical R-CALF MO!


Quote:
Conman: "Why allow the USDA to give international packers comparative advantages over domestic packers?"


Another empty statement/question!

So what are you saying Conman? That you do not support trading with Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?


Quote:
Conman: "Do you support the U.S. shipping beef to Japan and allowing Creekstone to do what the customer asks as far as providing for the safety requirements of the Japanese people?"


Of course I support shipping beef to Japan but I do not support consumer fraud that capitalizes on consumer fears and consumer ignorance regarding a BSE test that will not reveal BSE prions in cattle under 24 months of age. BSE testing cattle under 24 months of age with a test that will not reveal BSE prions in cattle under 24 months of age is not providing for the safety requirements of the Japanese people WHICH IS WHY THEIR GOVERNMENT ALLOWED BEEF TO BE EXPORTED WITHOUT TESTING, it's consumer fraud!


Quote:
Conman: "Why should producers pay for USDA mistakes while allowing international packers to recieve the benefits of trade? It only hurts domestic packers and will reduce competition for producer's to sell to."


Another empty statement!


~SH~


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Sandbag: "I told you to start a new thread if you want to change the topic. This thread is on whether or not R-CALF is against trade."


SH, "DIVERSION! My questions related directly to whether or not R-CALF supports trade. Your diversion is your "tell" again."

You are the one trying to divert. Your questions are NOT related directly to R-CALF. They're not even related indirectly. They're related directly to me.

SH, "You won't incriminate yourself by committing to a black and white questions regarding trade so you dance. Your answers would be too revealing. Typical R-CALF MO! "

I'll tell you once again, SH, the topic is R-CALF and trade - not me and trade. I'd be more than happy to answer your questions if you start a new thread.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Sandbag: "Your questions are NOT related directly to R-CALF. They're not even related indirectly. They're related directly to me."


Well we can certainly fix that!

Does R-CALF support Canadians being allowed to export cattle and boxed beef to the United States, YES OR NO???

Does R-CALF support Australians being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United States, YES OR NO???

Does R-CALF support New Zealand being allowed to export lean trimmings to the United Stated, YES OR NO???

Watch the circus chicken dance now ..............


~SH~


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