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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Ronald Reagan Sounds Like Ron Paul Reply with quote
If you get an extra 10 minutes listen to this speach-- and then tell me why the Republican party chose the most Liberal (I think as Liberal as Obama), loose cannon, nation building, warmongering, immoral, dishonest, Lobbyist corrupted, elitist neocon candidate running over Ron Paul... Say what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STLR6tFP4S4&feature=related
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The voice doesn't match up to the video at all. Looks pretty fake to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Betting it is fake, like most of Oldtimers post that bash bash bash!!!
Oldtimer $100 bucks it is phony???????
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
BRG wrote:
The voice doesn't match up to the video at all. Looks pretty fake to me.


I guess you'd have to ask Youtube-- but it definitely does express the actual old Republican beliefs-- but so many of you anymore have been sold the bill of goods that this new neocon Republicanism is actually conservative-or Republican-- that I wouldn't expect most to understand Rolling Eyes Sad Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oldtimer wrote:
BRG wrote:
The voice doesn't match up to the video at all. Looks pretty fake to me.


I guess you'd have to ask Youtube-- but it definitely does express the actual old Republican beliefs-- but so many of you anymore have been sold the bill of goods that this new neocon Republicanism is actually conservative-or Republican-- that I wouldn't expect most to understand Rolling Eyes Sad Sad


You said in your original post that you think McCain is as liberal as Obama, and now we're supposed to look to you for guidance on what real conservatism is? Now THAT'S funny!! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
VanC wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
BRG wrote:
The voice doesn't match up to the video at all. Looks pretty fake to me.


I guess you'd have to ask Youtube-- but it definitely does express the actual old Republican beliefs-- but so many of you anymore have been sold the bill of goods that this new neocon Republicanism is actually conservative-or Republican-- that I wouldn't expect most to understand Rolling Eyes Sad Sad


You said in your original post that you think McCain is as liberal as Obama, and now we're supposed to look to you for guidance on what real conservatism is? Now THAT'S funny!! Laughing Laughing


Whats really funny to me is that so many have fallen into this neoconism- that you buy into as conservativism that you still backslap the Bush/McSame policies of spending like a drunken sailor- to send $Trillions overseas for nationbuilding- while having no way- or even no idea of how to pay for that debt -- instead charging the debt to our kids and grandkids...
A policy of globalism that has not only lost the country sovereignty, but has almost bankrupt the economy...

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Ronald Wilson Reagan (February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004) was the 40th President of the United States (1981–1989) and the 33rd Governor of California (1967–1975). Born in Illinois, Reagan moved to Los Angeles, California in the 1930s, where he was an actor, president of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG), and a spokesman for General Electric (GE). His start in politics occurred during his work for GE; originally a member of the Democratic Party, he switched to the Republican Party in 1962 After delivering a rousing speech in support of Barry Goldwater's presidential candidacy in 1964, he was persuaded to seek the California governorship, winning two years later and again in 1970.


I can't tell you if that was Reagan--but that sounds like the policies that Goldwater ran on at the time...

I don't think you'll ever see a true Conservative President again for sometime-- as once the immigrants are given amnesty/fasttracked to citizenship (which both candidates endorse)- and the borders are opened to many more legal immigrants from around the world with fasttrack to citizenship (which is even more strongly supported by McSame than Obama)- you will see 20+ million new Democrats added to the population- and according to those tracking the statistics the number of descendants of those immigrants/minorities/more liberal Democrats is increasing at a rapid rate while the number of conservatives/traditional Republican is stagnated or decreasing....

The closest to a true conservative may in years to come might be a Centrist/Populist independent or third party candidate....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
VanC wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
BRG wrote:
The voice doesn't match up to the video at all. Looks pretty fake to me.


I guess you'd have to ask Youtube-- but it definitely does express the actual old Republican beliefs-- but so many of you anymore have been sold the bill of goods that this new neocon Republicanism is actually conservative-or Republican-- that I wouldn't expect most to understand Rolling Eyes Sad Sad


You said in your original post that you think McCain is as liberal as Obama, and now we're supposed to look to you for guidance on what real conservatism is? Now THAT'S funny!! Laughing Laughing

OT is getting lost in his own game!!! Laugh

OT, who is the more conservative of these pairs (or should I say less liberal?)...

Bush--Algore

Bush--Kerry

McCain--Obama

None are Reagan conservatives!!!!!!!!!!
This is a no win election for us true conservatives and , if you are going to support/promote Obama, you are NO REAGAN CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
RobertMac wrote:
VanC wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
BRG wrote:
The voice doesn't match up to the video at all. Looks pretty fake to me.


I guess you'd have to ask Youtube-- but it definitely does express the actual old Republican beliefs-- but so many of you anymore have been sold the bill of goods that this new neocon Republicanism is actually conservative-or Republican-- that I wouldn't expect most to understand Rolling Eyes Sad Sad


You said in your original post that you think McCain is as liberal as Obama, and now we're supposed to look to you for guidance on what real conservatism is? Now THAT'S funny!! Laughing Laughing

OT is getting lost in his own game!!! Laugh

OT, who is the more conservative of these pairs (or should I say less liberal?)...

Bush--Algore

Bush--Kerry

McCain--Obama

None are Reagan conservatives!!!!!!!!!!
This is a no win election for us true conservatives and , if you are going to support/promote Obama, you are NO REAGAN CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!


Depends on what? Bush has been the most liberal spending President in modern history- sending much of the taxpayer money overseas for the neocon version of foreign aid...He has also built the biggest and fastest growing bureaucracy in history...McSame has backed all his policies....Bush has been the most liberal President on allowing illegal immigrants- following on the heels of Clinton- all of which is being echoed again twofold by McSame....

Bush has been the most liberal about tearing apart our rule of laws and eroding our US Constitution- along with delegating power to Agencies and Departments and allowing Agency rulemaking to make mandates on..He has also been the most liberal about signing agreements with countries tying us into treaties and losing our soveriegnty- one treaty at a time....

I differ from most of you because I could care less on the legislating abortion choices, bedroom preferences, and many of those social issues which I think in most cases should be personal decisions or left to the states--not for neocon Federal governments to decide...

And just like Bush did- McSame tells you one thing- but does the opposite-- and when you look at McSames history he has been all over the place- mainly depending on which Lobbyist waved the most money in front of his face- but almost always (90+% of the time) supporting GW Bush's neocon policies-- which no way are conservative in the values of the old conservatism- which was a rule of law- strict following of the Constitution- mind your own business- keep your nose at home- support the USA, both producers and industry policy....They put America first-- not Iraq...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is it a bet or not Oldtimer???
Or are you going to hide under momma;s skirts on this too??????
Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guys, surely you know by now that OT is so bent on (or twisted by) his failure to understand or to admit the possibility that GWB just might know more about the threat from the Islamic terrorists who are determined to overcome of kill all "infidels", that he refuses to credit any action taken by this administration.

It is only logical that such knowledge has driven this president to take some difficult measures to try to protect our country, and to undertake a war in Iraq in order to prevent take-over of that country with its oil, by those extremists. Yes, we are helping Iraqi's rebuild their country, but there was a very real danger of those Taliban gaining control of that nation, too.

Does OT have some inside knowledge that the Iraqi's will never return any of our expenditures made in their behalf? While we didn't demand that of Japan or Germany or Italy, I believe the USA has benefitted from trade with those nations. And I certainly believe that was a better choice than being taken over by Hitler and his allies!

I say elect McCain and keep the pressure on him to enable him to do the correct, conservative things necessary, starting with forcing Congress to allow our troops to WIN a war, something that body has prevented since WWII, IMO.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
MRJ, the thing that is far more important about Germany, Japan, and Italy than trade or any amount of money to be repaid is that they are now allies. That is the long term payback from Iraq and Afghanistan and, hopefully, other Islamic countries...if we protect them long enough from the extremist for them to be able to take care of themselves. The only way to win the war against terrorism is to show the people of these countries what it is like to live free and without the fear of repression. And the most important thing is to show the Islamic people that want to be free is that we won't cut and run!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
RobertMac wrote:
MRJ, the thing that is far more important about Germany, Japan, and Italy than trade or any amount of money to be repaid is that they are now allies. That is the long term payback from Iraq and Afghanistan and, hopefully, other Islamic countries...if we protect them long enough from the extremist for them to be able to take care of themselves. The only way to win the war against terrorism is to show the people of these countries what it is like to live free and without the fear of repression. And the most important thing is to show the Islamic people that want to be free is that we won't cut and run!!!


The Iraqi Constitution is based on Shira Law. They're happy with that. They apparently don't want a country where a variety of religions are acceptable. They're a Muslim country and want to stay that way. Why do you think destroying the country and killing as many as a million citizens will make them want to be like us?

And they want us OUT of there. Not in 2015. Not "when conditions on the ground are good". They want a definite date and they want it to be in the timeframe Obama has been talking about for over a year. Now how can such a "novice" in foreign affairs know more than McCain and Bush? Or even Condi Rice? He must be a lot smarter than Republicans give him credit for. Very Happy
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